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Ripple notches win in SEC case over XRP cryptocurrency

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Re: Ripple notches win in SEC case over XRP cryptocurrency

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This is supposed to be pretty huge. Besides coinbase and others relisting XRP what changes should we expect to see in the short term?

Many ICOs done in the US followed similar but even more refined legal rational

and it doesnt really matter if institutional sales are unregistered securities because there are many registration exemptions to rely upon for sales to institutional

Re: Ripple notches win in SEC case over XRP cryptocurrency

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"partial" win!? It's hard to see what would be a "win" otherwise... It's going to have also larger implications - the SEC somehow manages to lose that one, it was hard to imagine or predict. If not even XRP is a security, there is truly no other coins which could be a security. Hate it or love it, but the SEC is simply going to lose all their other lawsuits EDIT: oh funny ... Reuters edited their title and removed "p…

Only appellate courts and higher set precedent. This is one ruling by one judge, means nothing for other cases.

Appellate courts set binding precedent, but district courts routinely look to eachother for guidance on how to rule on questions where there is no circuit/SCOTUS ruling.

Similarly, a judge in one circuit may look to the decision of a different circuit court when their own circuit has yet to rule on an issue.

Re: Ripple notches win in SEC case over XRP cryptocurrency

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This is IMO rather odd logic. I skimmed the opinion. If identical logic were applied to ordinary stock shares, it seems like it’s saying that shares in a C corp are securities if the C corp sells them to institutional investors, but that if the C corp sells the same shares by putting limit orders on a stock exchange (NASDAQ, for example) and Reddit-reading meme stock buyers buy them, then somehow the C corp didn’t actually engage in a sale of securities.

Re: Ripple notches win in SEC case over XRP cryptocurrency

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post #13

This is IMO rather odd logic. I skimmed the opinion. If identical logic were applied to ordinary stock shares, it seems like it’s saying that shares in a C corp are securities if the C corp sells them to institutional investors, but that if the C corp sells the same shares by putting limit orders on a stock exchange (NASDAQ, for example) and Reddit-reading meme stock buyers buy them, then somehow the C corp didn’t ac…

Not at all. The shares in a C-corp are securities because they will definitely pass the Howey Test. Also, stocks are considered securities by a statute. It is unclear whether XRP tokens themselves pass the Howey test. (I believe the Howey Test is extremely outdated and needs to be revamped, but that's a different topic.)

Re: Ripple notches win in SEC case over XRP cryptocurrency

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> But Torres ruled Ripple's XRP sales on public cryptocurrency exchanges were not offers of securities under the law, because purchasers did not have a reasonable expectation of profit tied to Ripple's efforts. > Those sales were "blind bid/ask transactions," she said, where the buyers "could not have known if their payments of money went to Ripple, or any other seller of XRP." I bet this gets overturned on appeal. I…

Not really, unless XRP is a share of a company (it's not) and promises dividends (it doesn't), there's no expectation of profit by purchasers of XRP. Profits from speculation is not the same as profits from business activities. People purchase everything from bar codes (yes, 11 digit bar codes are a commodity with limited supply), to trailers, to collectible video games, to oil and minerals, precious metals, art, ant…

Any speculative profit you hope to make on XRP is entirely reliant on the business of Ripple. They control and run and improve and promote the network, and without those efforts XRP would not have any hope of increasing in value at all. It's plain as day that people purchasing XRP rely on the efforts of Ripple the company for their expectation of profit, regardless of who they purchase the XRP from.
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