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Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

#101

Post by ilaksh »

heliophobicdude wrote: post #67
jug wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I think it should be compared to GPT 3.5. Google doesn't really have a public contender to GPT 4 yet but this is what the Gemini project is intended to be, by the newly formed/reformed Google DeepMind team.

I'm really excited about Gemini. It's supposed to have some sort of planning and problem solving ability[2][3]. If it is like Tree of Thoughts [1], then I'm so hyped! Also take a peek at which institution most of the ToT authors are at. 1: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.10601.pdf 2: https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-io-2023-keynote-sun... 3: https://www.wired.com/story/google-deepmind-demis-hassabis-c...

When is Gemini going to be available?

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

#102

Post by llm_nerd »

Vermeulen wrote: post #99
llm_nerd wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"How can you so confidently say C-18 has no relevance to this" Even Google isn't claiming it is... It is pretty ironic that you repeatedly claim that a bill is directly responsible for it when Google, despite being in a very public fight about it, isn't even claiming this. "but clearly by saying Google knows they can 'weaponize the bootlicker sorts' you are calling people who criticize this bill " Clearly I did not .…

By saying 'regulatory uncertainty', they are saying the uncertainty of C-18 applying to Bard. Very very clearly. It's a legal risk to them right now. And yet you, who also just said they don't know enough about C-18 to comment on it, knows for certain it wouldn't apply to Bard. Incredible

>Very very clearly.

Except that they never cited the bill in any discussion on this. Such an easy target, but it is never mentioned despite incredibly aggressive lobbying and public posturing by Google. Instead it is the grab all "this government is mean, and if you're a bootlicker you run forth and tell everyone how mean they are!" sort of statement because it can't easily be refuted for being garbage.

So super clear.

And for that matter, amazing C-18 has caused no issues for any of Google's competitors when it comes to LLMs. "Incredible".

>who also just said they don't know enough about C-18 to comment on it

I love that you think this is an attack. I said I don't care enough about it to hold an opinion (much less a strong one), unlike so many. But a corporate tantrum is the most obvious thing in the world, and Google is clearly having a corporate tantrum. And given that I'm not a pathetic bootlicker, I don't immediately look to rationalize for them.

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

#103

Post by llm_nerd »

crazygringo wrote: post #100
llm_nerd wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"How can you so confidently say C-18 has no relevance to this" Even Google isn't claiming it is... It is pretty ironic that you repeatedly claim that a bill is directly responsible for it when Google, despite being in a very public fight about it, isn't even claiming this. "but clearly by saying Google knows they can 'weaponize the bootlicker sorts' you are calling people who criticize this bill " Clearly I did not .…

You would seem to be the one against the spirit of HN here. You're calling anyone who might disagree with Canada and agree with Google "bootlicker sorts" (I see no other way to interpret your original comment) and now you're doubling down about people "ready to tow the line for them" and "do the dirty work for them". That's "grossly counterproductive". Please don't call names or insinuate that commenters are doing "d…

>You're calling anyone who might disagree with Canada and agree with Google "bootlicker sorts"

Again. Christ. Honest question: How can people so lacking at basic set logic actually function in this field?

If you need to manufacture the position of the person you're "arguing with", take a break from the internet.

Though it's actually telling that a couple of people felt personally attacked by a general statement. I generally referred to people who carry corporate water as bootlickers, and several people took that personally. Maybe that's something to reflect on.

>You may want to re-read HN guidelines

Amazing.

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

#104

Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

This release is GREAT for 1 use case: is to do language learning for KIDS!

Since it supports other languages , i can have my young ones go at it talking favorite pokemon, etc. But in a foreign language. That is great.

Now if it supported mic input on a foreign language (that may be an edge browser microphone limitation) they could have a full conversation, which would be incredible!

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

#105

Post by heliophobicdude »

ilaksh wrote: post #101
heliophobicdude wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really excited about Gemini. It's supposed to have some sort of planning and problem solving ability[2][3]. If it is like Tree of Thoughts [1], then I'm so hyped! Also take a peek at which institution most of the ToT authors are at. 1: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.10601.pdf 2: https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-io-2023-keynote-sun... 3: https://www.wired.com/story/google-deepmind-demis-hassabis-c...

When is Gemini going to be available?

Wired article said development will take a number of months. Perhaps we shall ask Barb?

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

#107

Post by bsaul »

frankohn wrote: post #56

Just tried out Google Bard, now available in Europe, and I have to say, my first experience was rather disconcerting. I threw at it a relatively obscure question about an event in the third book of A Song of Ice and Fire series, involving characters Arya Stark and Sandor Clegane. To my surprise, Google Bard's response, while confident, was a bizarre mix of actual characters and situations from the book series, but th…

Anyone here has ideas on what could make a difference between openai and bard on this issue ? Not an expert, so i really have no idea what it is that makes this kind of difference. training ? Architecture ? Rlhf ? Etc

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

#108

Post by Vermeulen »

llm_nerd wrote: post #102
Vermeulen wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By saying 'regulatory uncertainty', they are saying the uncertainty of C-18 applying to Bard. Very very clearly. It's a legal risk to them right now. And yet you, who also just said they don't know enough about C-18 to comment on it, knows for certain it wouldn't apply to Bard. Incredible

>Very very clearly. Except that they never cited the bill in any discussion on this. Such an easy target, but it is never mentioned despite incredibly aggressive lobbying and public posturing by Google. Instead it is the grab all "this government is mean, and if you're a bootlicker you run forth and tell everyone how mean they are!" sort of statement because it can't easily be refuted for being garbage. So super clea…

You said you 'didn't know enough about it' to defend it, not that you didn't care, and yet still can say confidently "There is no scenario where C-18 has any relevance to this". There is such clear contradiction to that that arguing with you is definitely pointless.

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

#109

Post by synergy20 »

I'm a paid chatgpt subscriber from the start, so far so good.

once a while I tried Bard, I kept getting "I'm just a language model and I don't know what you're talking about" from Bard. Even it responded, it's not optimal at all.

Google has lots of homework ahead to cram on just to catch up at the moment, best luck!

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

#110

Post by firefoxkekw »

ajross wrote: post #45
swyx wrote: post #21

fun story[0] about Bard's June update - implicit code execution (remember? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36229782 ) - the example that they advertised on their blogpost/video demo now no longer works. Here's what I got as of today: https://g.co/bard/share/2580222b6fb2 (screenshot from a couple days ago: https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1678495067663925248?s=20 ) > What are the prime factors of 15683615? > (afte…

> now lets all acknowledge that maintaining stable performance of LLMs is an unimaginably hard problem, but how do we trust any Bard update when there's no regression testing on advertised outputs? This framing ("how do we trust [target product] when there's [a problem]") is basically a fallacy. Advocates and evangelists and shitposters deploy it every time they want to take an absolutist position but only have one a…

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