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Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

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Post by llm_nerd »

Vermeulen wrote: post #51
llm_nerd wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is trying to "punish" Canada for bill C-18 [1]. It is absolutely gross, bully-like corporate behaviour and ultimately should earn Google much more scrutiny. For those who don't know, bill C-18 required Google and others to pay Canadian news orgs if they scrape and present their content. This is exactly the battle Australia had with Google (Australia won, btw), but now that Canada has moved forward Google has d…

"if they scrape and present their content" - and you don't think this is relevant to Bard? It's less them 'punishing' Canada, and more being uncertain how these insane linking laws will be applied to this new technology. If Bard can summarize a News article from Canada that is very relevant to C-18. Funny to call criticism of this bill 'bootlicker sorts' - when really your then defending the governments protection of…

>and you don't think this is relevant to Bard?

Every LLM has serious copyright concerns that manifest in every nation on the planet. There is no scenario where C-18 has any relevance to this. They're all going to be sued by everyone all over the place and we'll see how it ends up.

>when really your then defending the governments protection of the Canadian media oligarchy

I have almost zero interest in the C-18 discussion. It has appeared on here countless times and I have made zero comments on it. I do chuckle when I see people say obviously nonsensical things (a common one is that Google makes no money from scraping news -- if Google is doing something, they are, or are trying to, make money from it), but whatever.

Even in this discussion I haven't defended the law whatsoever, as I just don't know enough about it. And nowhere did I say that criticism of it makes someone a bootlicker, so this is all a strawman regardless.

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

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Post by throwawayadvsec »

ipaddr wrote: post #49
ajross wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> now lets all acknowledge that maintaining stable performance of LLMs is an unimaginably hard problem, but how do we trust any Bard update when there's no regression testing on advertised outputs? This framing ("how do we trust [target product] when there's [a problem]") is basically a fallacy. Advocates and evangelists and shitposters deploy it every time they want to take an absolutist position but only have one a…

Everything google offers is in beta and remains that way for a very longtime. Expect bugs but not regression of core product offerings.

pretty sure youtube/adsense/adwords/google/android/chrome aren't in beta

everything else at Google is pretty much an internal startup and insignificant on their numbers

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

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Post by frankohn »

ChatGTP wrote: post #70
frankohn wrote: post #56

Just tried out Google Bard, now available in Europe, and I have to say, my first experience was rather disconcerting. I threw at it a relatively obscure question about an event in the third book of A Song of Ice and Fire series, involving characters Arya Stark and Sandor Clegane. To my surprise, Google Bard's response, while confident, was a bizarre mix of actual characters and situations from the book series, but th…

Question, do you think this has to do with copyrighted information being in the models ? I know you might not care but I wonder if Google is operating of accounts from the internet while OpenAI has actually ingested the books ?

I don't know but I think google bard had access to the book's content as well because it mentioned correctly some characters and some places I didn't mention in my question.

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

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Post by llm_nerd »

ipaddr wrote: post #68
llm_nerd wrote: post #41

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>If Canada succeeds in its current implementation of Bill C-18 it will absolutely destroy the revenue for media organizations in Canada rapidly accelerating the decline in journalism here. Every media org is behind C-18. Even PostMedia, about as "right wing" as it gets here, is behind C-18. C-18 is complex. I have paid little attention to it as it isn't my field and I honestly don't care that much about it. But your…

Isn't Postmedia trying to merge or be purchased by Torstar?

How is that remotely relevant? Ignoring that they called it off (after talking about it for something like a week), PostMedia's kneejerk opinion to almost every issue is "pro business / anti-government". Yet PostMedia has repeatedly, openly stated their support for C-18.

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

ipaddr wrote: post #49
ajross wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> now lets all acknowledge that maintaining stable performance of LLMs is an unimaginably hard problem, but how do we trust any Bard update when there's no regression testing on advertised outputs? This framing ("how do we trust [target product] when there's [a problem]") is basically a fallacy. Advocates and evangelists and shitposters deploy it every time they want to take an absolutist position but only have one a…

Everything google offers is in beta and remains that way for a very longtime. Expect bugs but not regression of core product offerings.

> Expect bugs but not regression of core product offerings.

Google's web search has gotten worse over the years. Unless of course we want to say that their only truly core product is ads, in which case I'm skeptical but willing to concede that you may be right.

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

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Post by Vermeulen »

llm_nerd wrote: post #71
Vermeulen wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"if they scrape and present their content" - and you don't think this is relevant to Bard? It's less them 'punishing' Canada, and more being uncertain how these insane linking laws will be applied to this new technology. If Bard can summarize a News article from Canada that is very relevant to C-18. Funny to call criticism of this bill 'bootlicker sorts' - when really your then defending the governments protection of…

>and you don't think this is relevant to Bard? Every LLM has serious copyright concerns that manifest in every nation on the planet. There is no scenario where C-18 has any relevance to this. They're all going to be sued by everyone all over the place and we'll see how it ends up. >when really your then defending the governments protection of the Canadian media oligarchy I have almost zero interest in the C-18 discus…

How can you so confidently say C-18 has no relevance to this - then in the same comment say you don't know enough about the law to comment on it?

If you don't understand C-18 that's fine - but then you can't confidently say that it can't apply to Bard. Seems pretty clear based on how C-18 is written that it absolutely could.

You have the ability to doublethink here to the point of arguing is likely pointless - but clearly by saying Google knows they can 'weaponize the bootlicker sorts' you are calling people who criticize this bill 'bootlicker's.

Re: Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries

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Post by elorant »

hbn wrote: post #32
agildehaus wrote: post #9

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I ask it my dumb questions first before asking a human who will hold it against me.

One use for Chat GPT I've found that's super handy - and something search engines have been really bad at - is finding me a word that I can't think of. Give it a description of the word's meaning, and maybe the context for how it would be used and it's given me pretty great results. It was such a relief figuring this out cause I'm terrible at recalling words sometimes, so I've wanted something like this for YEARS.

On the same context, it's quite good for neologisms which could be great if you're looking for a new company name, or a product name, or whatever. You give it two words and ask it to make combinations and then it goes ballistic producing them by the buckets.
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