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Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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This is why I don’t want alternative payment options on iOS. It’s 1 click cancel on subscriptions. It’s enforced and they have no say or cannot make it difficult for me to cancel.

The UX is great, but not worth paying 30% more.

Paypal does this too. No iDevice lock-in required.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a great solution -- allow a centralized party to control the front end (and create an audit log), then transmit the intent to the service to act on. I'd prefer to see it as a non-government, not-for-profit service. But the ceding of front end control to services themselves doesn't work. We already learned that with email / unsubscribe.

> I'd prefer to see it as a non-government, not-for-profit service. Hard, because the government has authority, a random company does not. I'd still trust my government more than a random non profit company, if my trust decreases, I'd vote for different people to manage the country - which is not possible with companies.

> I'd vote for different people to manage the country

Also not possible in Turkey, but at least this service works.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a great solution -- allow a centralized party to control the front end (and create an audit log), then transmit the intent to the service to act on. I'd prefer to see it as a non-government, not-for-profit service. But the ceding of front end control to services themselves doesn't work. We already learned that with email / unsubscribe.

> I'd prefer to see it as a non-government, not-for-profit service. Hard, because the government has authority, a random company does not. I'd still trust my government more than a random non profit company, if my trust decreases, I'd vote for different people to manage the country - which is not possible with companies.

The legal framework for a private company doing it is already there. At least in the US, you can always cancel with a properly worded certified letter to the company. You would probably need to give the company limited power of attorney to send the letter on your behalf. This isn't as crazy as it sounds, its essentially the same thing as title companies. You give them power of attorney and they deal with the DMV for you for things like transfering title of your car.

Having said that, I don't think the market for painless cancelling is big enough to do this given the legal overhead that would be needed.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Netflix is such a crook. I had cancelled my subscription a while ago. They gave me the rest of the month to watch (since i already paid that month). Well, I had cancelled because I don't watch anymore. Guess what? Since it was a family plan, my father end up watching on his house, in another city. So Netflix renew the subscription. Fun right? I get a message everytime my card gets charged, that's why I noticed I was…

Isn't that basically bait for a chargeback? No financial institution would ever call that an authorized transaction.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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In Turkey, you can cancel any subscription you have through the governments app called "e-Devlet" which stands for "e-Government". It is an awesome system, a service making it hell to unsubscribe? Just cancel it through e-Devlet and if they don't cancel your subscription, you can sue them. Though I think it only works for Turkey based companies, sadly.

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Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

#76
The issue is so simple. The companies claim that it would impose heavy costs on them. Well. So it either costs the companies or it costs the consumer. But the consumer is exercising their free choice while the companies are ignoring said choice and forcing them to pay for something they don't want. That's textbook extortion.

Easy solution: impose crippling fines or maybe a little prison sentence here and there for extortion. Why not? That's what it is. Do it and watch how fast the mobsters, I mean, the companies will change their tune.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was buying tickets for an upcoming music concert here in Amsterdam. The map showing prices in different sections was one price, but they wanted €74 extra in "total fees", and an additional €14 in VAT.

That VAT only covers the extra fees; it's 21%.

I only noticed that after writing the comment. Still feels wrong to advertise one price, then sneak in "total fees" (whatever those are) in between the checkout flow and the payment processor page.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am from the Netherlands, and I never see prices without VAT on websites. What is an example? Edit: not saying your lying, just thinking it might be geo related sometimes?

I was buying tickets for an upcoming music concert here in Amsterdam. The map showing prices in different sections was one price, but they wanted €74 extra in "total fees", and an additional €14 in VAT.

Sounds like a shady site. If you know Dutch you can report them using the meld.nl site.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Netflix is such a crook. I had cancelled my subscription a while ago. They gave me the rest of the month to watch (since i already paid that month). Well, I had cancelled because I don't watch anymore. Guess what? Since it was a family plan, my father end up watching on his house, in another city. So Netflix renew the subscription. Fun right? I get a message everytime my card gets charged, that's why I noticed I was…

Do you know the details of what happened here? Unless you know otherwise, it sounds like your father probably ended up clicking the "renew subscription now" button when prompted, not that simply logging in triggered the charge.

I'm ready to believe that the renewal prompt was heavily geared towards making it easy to renew, and Netflix should be required to make it equally easy to cancel, but unless you know he didn't click a button to confirm the charge (with dollar amount listed), I'd hesitate to label the re-onboarding process as crooked.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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In Turkey, you can cancel any subscription you have through the governments app called "e-Devlet" which stands for "e-Government". It is an awesome system, a service making it hell to unsubscribe? Just cancel it through e-Devlet and if they don't cancel your subscription, you can sue them. Though I think it only works for Turkey based companies, sadly.

This seems like a great solution -- allow a centralized party to control the front end (and create an audit log), then transmit the intent to the service to act on. I'd prefer to see it as a non-government, not-for-profit service. But the ceding of front end control to services themselves doesn't work. We already learned that with email / unsubscribe.

You could do it without the need for centralised party. Banks could issue a cancel notice i.e. a webhook/something to poll that says "this card will no longer be honoring this subscription".

That way users can cancel in our bank app... potentially right next to where we see the line item, and will have the protection of the bank being the one who does so (vs a user clicking something on their site).

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