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Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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How many interstitials would you allow after the clearly visible option in the account settings?

Exactly one, "are you sure you want to cancel the subscription?" "yes" "no".

I'd be okay with "yes", "no", and "show me more options" as long as all the buttons are rendered similarly.

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The same amount it takes to sign up

You might need name, address etc as part of the sign up, but if they made me enter all of that againz it would be infuriating.

I agree, that would be super annoying, but at the same time the law would still be mostly working this case, since you still don't need to eg fax a form or have to get on a long phone call. I think "the effort you need to sign up" is a reasonable ceiling, and while it's unfortunate if a company decides to be petty and make you enter your address again, that same company would probably do more if they were given the legal right to do so.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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I really appreciate that legislation here forces companies to accept cancellation by email. There are services that have the contact addresses as a directory and you can just fill out a form online and they have to honor your cancellation.

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In Turkey, you can cancel any subscription you have through the governments app called "e-Devlet" which stands for "e-Government". It is an awesome system, a service making it hell to unsubscribe? Just cancel it through e-Devlet and if they don't cancel your subscription, you can sue them. Though I think it only works for Turkey based companies, sadly.

This seems like a great solution -- allow a centralized party to control the front end (and create an audit log), then transmit the intent to the service to act on.

I'd prefer to see it as a non-government, not-for-profit service.

But the ceding of front end control to services themselves doesn't work. We already learned that with email / unsubscribe.

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Illinois says that any subscription must be cancelable in the same place it's created, so if I sign up for Hulu using my smart tv,I can cancel there as well. It's really good.

People often complain about the proliferation of streaming services, but thanks to the law mentioned above, I'm able to subscribe and then immediately cancel. If I decide I want more time I can resubscribe later. I get to watch what I want with a minimum of recurring bills.

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I keep running into Dutch e-commerce sites that advertise prices without fees and VAT, and I haven't figured out who I'm supposed to complain to. Just yesterday, the first indication the prices weren't accurate is when I saw the real total in iDEAL.

I am from the Netherlands, and I never see prices without VAT on websites. What is an example? Edit: not saying your lying, just thinking it might be geo related sometimes?

I was buying tickets for an upcoming music concert here in Amsterdam. The map showing prices in different sections was one price, but they wanted €74 extra in "total fees", and an additional €14 in VAT.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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I prefer that the government doesn't go too heavy handed with the rule and try to solve all problems with requirements such as maintaining detailed phone records. We don't want huge costs of compliance making it harder for small players to enter the market. I think the rule of "sign up online, cancel online using a clearly visible option in the account settings", plus the legalese to cover corner cases, would be a hu…

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Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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This is why I don’t want alternative payment options on iOS. It’s 1 click cancel on subscriptions. It’s enforced and they have no say or cannot make it difficult for me to cancel.

The UX is great, but not worth paying 30% more.

When I'm signing up for some streaming service to watch one or two shows and know I'll be done in a few months, I have no problem with the 30% surcharge. It's paying a little bit more now to make things easier on myself in the future.

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In Turkey, you can cancel any subscription you have through the governments app called "e-Devlet" which stands for "e-Government". It is an awesome system, a service making it hell to unsubscribe? Just cancel it through e-Devlet and if they don't cancel your subscription, you can sue them. Though I think it only works for Turkey based companies, sadly.

This seems like a great solution -- allow a centralized party to control the front end (and create an audit log), then transmit the intent to the service to act on. I'd prefer to see it as a non-government, not-for-profit service. But the ceding of front end control to services themselves doesn't work. We already learned that with email / unsubscribe.

> I'd prefer to see it as a non-government, not-for-profit service.

Hard, because the government has authority, a random company does not.

I'd still trust my government more than a random non profit company, if my trust decreases, I'd vote for different people to manage the country - which is not possible with companies.

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