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Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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The real issue IMO is that users do not understand that ads pay for their apps. They don't want to see ads and the ads they do see they want them to be uninformed and general. They want everything free. This just encourages subscriptions. Which we're seeing become more and more common.

I would personally prefer to pay for a service with my money as opposed to my information and ads being shoved in my face. Unfortunately many services don't even give an option to pay with money, so I've been trying to find alternatives, for example I've been starting to migrate away from Gmail to Protonmail. I understand things cost money, so let me pay you for your services. I just despise ads with a passion.

> I would personally prefer to pay for a service with my money as opposed to my information and ads being shoved in my face.

You might prefer to, but Google and others know better when it comes to B2C pricing.

Look at Netflix, Youtube Premium, HBO etc. The price increases every year, consumers get pissed. That's because:

a) these companies are bad at forecasting their margins

b) the real cost of pricing these services is MUCH higher than consumers would tolerate, and is thus heavily subsidized at the early stages ($10/mo), in the hope that future revenue deals (cable TV syndication, IP rights etc) will offset those losses later. The subscriber base isn't part of that equation here.

This is much easier to accomplish with a B2B model, i.e. ads. That's because advertisers and companies have budgets available, and aren't as sensitive to price changes.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

#182

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The real issue IMO is that users do not understand that ads pay for their apps. They don't want to see ads and the ads they do see they want them to be uninformed and general. They want everything free. This just encourages subscriptions. Which we're seeing become more and more common.

I would personally prefer to pay for a service with my money as opposed to my information and ads being shoved in my face. Unfortunately many services don't even give an option to pay with money, so I've been trying to find alternatives, for example I've been starting to migrate away from Gmail to Protonmail. I understand things cost money, so let me pay you for your services. I just despise ads with a passion.

One reason I like Brave having a subscription for ad-free search.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I thought everybody hates advertising, no? Let's do a thought experiment and imagine Elon brought more advertising on Twitter. Everyone would bullshit on him for that. In reality, we have the opposite situation. There is less advertising. On top of that, ad revenue is now being shared with creators. What's bad about it?

My day job is helping sell ad-free, subscriptions, so I'm a fan of the idea. That said, Elon is driving away the lucrative advertisers and not dropping ads entirely. Even Blue subscribers still get ads, albeit fewer. At their scale and in their market the premium subscriptions model doesn't appear to work, unless their costs can be reduced much, much further. Sharing revenue with creators is great. Not everything bei…

The Twitter acquisition happened 7 months ago, on October 27, 2022 to be precise. 7 months is effectively 3 quarters. Let's take "Elon Musk" name out of the equation for a moment. How much do you think is possible to do with one of the largest social network companies in the world within 3 quarters? I work at AWS and I must say everything is really slow here.

What I'm trying to say is it seems like the world is "demanding" too much from Elon. Additionally, there is a weird trend of people rooting for his failure. This is something I strongly stand against.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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That was a sarcasm. I should have stated that he doesn't care as much as other companies. Elon, being the richest person on the planet, is uniquely positioned and has a competitive advantage. He can risk losing ad revenue to achieve his goals - minimize censorship and create a super-app.

Easy to say if you are not the target, especially from a guy who called others pedo guy

Yes. It's easy because I'm not attacking Elon, so he's not attacking me.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Driving away lucrative advertising, replacing with much less sustainable premium subscriptions. Then there's cutting the moderation and safety teams to the bone.

I thought everybody hates advertising, no? Let's do a thought experiment and imagine Elon brought more advertising on Twitter. Everyone would bullshit on him for that. In reality, we have the opposite situation. There is less advertising. On top of that, ad revenue is now being shared with creators. What's bad about it?

> There is less advertising.

There's way more ads. Now every blue checkmark tweet is an ad, paid for placement. So I click on a tweet and all I get are pages of ads with the real tweets buried at the bottom.

Ads aside, there are host of other ways he's ruined twitter from censorship to blocking anon access to amplifying his own terrible tweets.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I think we really need microtransactions. Pay $0.05 to read this article? Sure. Whoever figures out the infrastructure for that (seems like it would be right up Stripe’s alley) is going to make trillions.

I've recently used Axate (www.axate.com) on a news website. You top up credit, and then pay per article.

I don't want to top up, I just want to be charged directly.

Also "Which sites are using Axate?", I don't recognize any of the sites on that list.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

#187

I'm not going to watch this entire video. I just want to ask, what the fuck is going on with those disgusting body horror ads we see all over the internet? Close ups of pimples and wounds and bizzare diagrams of human anatomy that all appear designed specifically to draw the eye (at any cost) but personally just repulse me. There's a whole cross section of websites I won't visit, including some major news sites, beca…

Yes, what the fuck!? Facebook has started to show this filth in their shorts, that are un-blockable. I have to access Facebook for work and this is just repulsive. I guess if anybody still had any doubt wether the people at Facebook were degenerated perverts, at least there is no such doubt anymore.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

#188
I agree with recent TWiT discussion on this : we've had it good for a while - the promise of free internet but all those services cost money to keep running.

I don't have an issue with paying Youtube Premium Lite. Where I have an issue with the subs model is you're pay subs to so many services, YT Netflix Twitch, etc. It adds up pretty quickly, and costs way more than traditional TV used to cost.

Then there's the issue of online magazines. I find most even including Wired, to be too random in terms of content. Itś really easy for me to rationalize the worth of YT : irreplacable. But all those online "news" site that churn out tons of SEO optimized articles and "top ten (insert random hardware)" lists etc? Really difficult for me to warrant a subscription.

Now if someone maintained a really big forum, like there ś a few still running with tons of sub forums where you can spend an hour everyday and get a ton of interaction. Sure, I'd sub to that.

Even Reddit for me it's hard to think why I'd pay for it, even though it is also irreplacable in some way. Perhaps because it is primarily a social site, there is so much abuse, so much idiocy, so much "hive mind" and so much negativity/sarcasm overall - it easily shadows the good side of reddit : the helpful/kind replies, the sharing of useful guides etc.

So huh.. Maybe it is like the TWiT panel agreed, the "free for all" internet is dying, and some sites/ services may well disappear and maybe that's not a bad thing. Maybe there are better ideas to replace them.

If it was just me I´d bring back huge forums. There's gotta be a way to monetize those through Patreon/etc. Theres lots of small perks you can give to forum members. Maybe they still have a life in them, but they were just made seemingly obsolete for a while by "social media" sites like Twitter and Instagram.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

#189

I'm not going to watch this entire video. I just want to ask, what the fuck is going on with those disgusting body horror ads we see all over the internet? Close ups of pimples and wounds and bizzare diagrams of human anatomy that all appear designed specifically to draw the eye (at any cost) but personally just repulse me. There's a whole cross section of websites I won't visit, including some major news sites, beca…

Why aren't you using an ad-blocker?

You can't block Facebook and Instagram ads.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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post #112

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Everyone understands that ads pay for sites. You can want something for free while still understanding how adverts work.

Honest question: how can you expect stuff for free without ads?

Flip side: Why doesn't YouTube pay users for the work they perform on their platform, re- impressions, interactions, training? The more often and "better" someone interacts with their services, the more "free minutes" without ads they earn. If someone is a big producer of value, they earn access to tiered UHD/4K/8K or "premium" content, or they're cut a check / given credits.

YoutTube is making money, somehow, off of us. Is it not our right to reclaim the excess value we are creating for them? Why is only okay for trillion dollar companies to have free lunch?

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