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> It has its advantages though. Seems the advantage is somewhat localized to the individual inference-based learner; it doesn't seem like a pro-social strategy which would optimize benefit to the group. Overall this seems like it would generalize to widespread misinformation if the majority of uses adopted this behavior. I'm guessing it's in the best interests of the wider group to try to minimize the occurrence of t…

The advantages in a social setting lie in the introduction of entropy, that is _creativity_, to a community. In a rigorous academic setting and with proper training these individuals are more likely identify links between ideas or information that may not seem obvious at first, and tend to be your more 'eccentric' academics. For the interests of the wider group, the best outcome is to help these individuals refine th…

You have clarified something I have always thought about very intensely and deeply but haven’t really ever read anyone else who understands that so well or rather put it into words so clearly.

I’m an inferenced based learner to an extreme and it definitely has many upsides and also downsides. The upsides are being able to learn extremely rapidly by making connections between pieces of information where there’s gaps and then using a sort of heuristic detection like a compass to feel out which gaps need filled in most. Then, I follow that trail down, regardless of how hard or complex it is to the bottom just to the point where it accomplishes what I need (whether it is statistics, machine learning, transaction isolation that I've learned for the 50th time...). Another upside is significant abstract thinking ability, and sometimes it feels like looking at a maze from overhead.

I’ve built over 100+ projects over close to 30,000 hours of programming over like 15 years

The downside is always when I’m around strong people of the other type I get the sense they don’t respect this style of learning sometimes. It comes through in their words, tone, subtle body language cues.

My friend, who is very very much the other type with a PhD in something very hard I don’t remember … algorithms and data structures or something, said it’s because I don’t value domain knowledge. He said if you spent an entire life building say, a database, you would not consider that a life worth lived. I laughed cause that makes me sound like an asshole but the more I thought about it the more it’s clear that I actually agree somehow. As if information on its own as a means to an end is not fulfilling to me. To me it feels like efficiency, creativity and and moving from A to B very rapidly while hierarchically organizing a massive amount of chaotic information is engrained in my DNA but just simply getting the correct, deepest domain knowledge possible is not appealing to me at all. I sort of will go to the depths that’s needed then go elsewhere.

I’m VERY thankful for those people though as that’s where a lot if not most of progress is made.

It has been an internal paradox for most of my life where I can’t figure out if I’m smart or stupid. I have built companies completely on my own on the tech side where one made over 10m and another made over 200m revenue. I’ve been told I built some things entire teams were not capable of doing on another project.., this gives me signals that I’m smart. Then other things like getting an F on this hard programming interview from my first employer who is genius level Harvard graduate academic style domain knowledge style person. It made me feel completely idiotic. There are many other times and situations where I often think I’m wired weird where it “feels” like I’m stupid.

This over the years I’ve accepted this paradox but it wasn’t until this domain knowledge piece or the creativity aspect that made me finally just accept it as ok and not something wrong with me.

The hardest part is VERY often being misunderstood. So much of it that I often have to expend an exhausting amount of time when working with new teams to say “how I think” because like a fortune teller I can always predict what will be misperceived, and even when I say it up front it usually happens anyway. This is why trust is paramount with my business partners. They know I’m extremely eccentric so to speak but they “trust the process” when I lock myself in a room for 30 days and come out with an amazing piece of tech that was built purely on raw intuition.

The other part that often made me feel stupid is despite its upsides this way of thinking often is exhausting because I don’t usually rely on past experiences ti make decisions. Each situation is different. So even if I’ve done something new 30 times I will feel this “stepping into unknown” feeling which takes great willpower and courage to repeatedly, especially when other people are relying on it.

Using this method tho I’ve also built cool things, one recently is the platform I built is the best converting one in the entire industry. On that project there is a massive team on the other side but the platform itself was also just built by me alone without much starting info to go off of other than a few multi hour brain dump calls. One thing my PhD friend I mentioned pointed out is that Feynman was a creative learner I think. It helped me feel better that it’s not a “wrong” way of thinking or stupid way if other people out there that high up might share similar ways of thinking more creatively. Of course it’s not exactly everything I describe to a T, I’m not saying that, but threads of it.

Hopefully none of what I wrote sounds insulting or arrogant to anyone. I fully acknowledge that domain knowledge is what moves world forward in many ways.

Re: GPT-4 details leaked?

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Just theorizing from the top-level post here. No clue if it's legitimate.

To be clear, you just made up MoE details while MoE is actually well established and hails from decades old research?

I believe it’s called ‘hallucination’

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#593

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Still, the guys developing ML algorithms like Neural nets, Linear regression, Decision tree, SVM, Naive Bayes, KNN etc., weren't doing science?

The note is interesting and in a way a time taking puzzle, but do not forget the apparent point in the original poster's is the lacking approach below the implementations of above said techniques. The techniques you listed in a substantial way expanded our knowledge ("oh, we can do this ... and solve more problems") while raising little more questions. The said implementations on topic give results but raise many mor…

>> but do not forget the apparent point in the original poster's is the lacking approach below the implementations of above said techniques.

That's right. I think the approach that is lacking is best explained in the submission guidelines for the Journal of AI Research:

>> Papers describing systems should clearly describe the contributions or the principles underlying the system. Papers describing theoretical results should also discuss their practical utility. In general, it should be clear how the work advances the current state of understanding and why the advance matters. Papers should report on what was learned in doing the work, rather than merely on what was done.

https://www.jair.org/index.php/jair/about/submissions

Doing stuff is not science, even if it's doing stuff that's never been done before. In science, we experiment to understand why stuff can be done, and how, not just that it can be done. And of course it matters what is being done, so for example experimenting to find the best combination of spices for a dish is not an instance of science.

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It is not the scientific method at all. You didn't even include an analyze or a publish step, two critical components to the scientific method. The point is that science is a thoughtful, methodical, recorded, repeatable process that is scrutinized by not just your friends but by the entire world, including those who compete against you. In science, it's normal for your competitor to recreate your experiment exactly t…

Umm.. no. I’m pretty sure when science was “invented” (whatever that means), there was no way to share your research with “the world”. You wrote it down in a book in you cared to reproduce it. Stop gate-keeping science. Observe, Predict, Test, Repeat. That is science. Kids do science when they watch adults do things. Just because you aren’t sitting in a lab publishing things no one reads doesn’t mean you can’t “do sc…

If a child watching an adult is "science", then when I brush my teeth I'm a dentist.

Words have meaning and when you dilute them down this far the only result is the destruction of communication.

Re: GPT-4 details leaked?

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Right. In historical context the scientific method was a huge improvement over the previous method of understanding the world, which was mostly religion. But today, academia is a victim of organizational and political capture, making it less competitive for talent.

I remain convinced that the correct model for science is a) serious hobbyists and b) patronage for the really talented. It would weed out the careerists, at least. You just can't make a "science factory" and expect to produce discoveries like cogs. It's stupid to even try.

I think you can. That’s basically corporate research teams.

The problem with academia is that it’s comprised of people who are held hostage until they find something. Just terrible incentives.

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Umm.. no. I’m pretty sure when science was “invented” (whatever that means), there was no way to share your research with “the world”. You wrote it down in a book in you cared to reproduce it. Stop gate-keeping science. Observe, Predict, Test, Repeat. That is science. Kids do science when they watch adults do things. Just because you aren’t sitting in a lab publishing things no one reads doesn’t mean you can’t “do sc…

If a child watching an adult is "science", then when I brush my teeth I'm a dentist. Words have meaning and when you dilute them down this far the only result is the destruction of communication.

Words do have meaning.

den· tist ˈden-təst : one who is skilled in and licensed to practice the prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of diseases, injuries, and malformations of the teeth, jaws, and mouth and who makes and inserts false teeth

Brushing your teeth does not imply you are a dentist.

sci·ence noun 1. the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained. "the world of science and technology"

A child may not be a good scientist, but they observe, experiment and explore their ideas. That sounds like science to me. Observational learning is a very common way scientist begin to understand things.

Re: GPT-4 details leaked?

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Given that this is an online forum, another advantage is that a conversational trail is left for others to discover. The inferences these types of individuals make are often based on a structure of knowledge and reality that others share, so the most common preconceived and incorrect notions tend to have the most documentation on how to ameliorate the incorrectness (given that these individuals are allowed to state t…

This had got to be the best thread I’ve ever (inadvertently) started.

Its a good thread, particularly Exuma's comment, but a memento mori from the root node:

My one word "Source?" meant: "You are adding a new episode of fictional info to a discussion about fictional info."

Even in that fictional world the post was wrong. Even if it was right in some allegorical sense, the simplistic allegory adds nothing. "Mixture of experts is like a group of experts where you pick the right expert to ask a question" isn't some hard-won cross-domain self-taught knowledge. It's something a bright 6th grader would pull off.

The self-taught feeling-stuff-out stuff matters when you're making useful connections that get practical results.

When you're just wiring stuff together online, and the wiring together is meaningless, you're doing nothing and taking the consequences of the negative signals

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You can also travel on a bike from NY to LA.

>You can also travel on a bike from NY to LA. You can. In fact, my brother did so a bunch of years ago. He found it to be a wonderful experience that made his life better. He's also flown on a commercial airplane from NY to LA (as have I, as well as millions of others) and while it got him to Los Angeles, it didn't provide the levels of sensory input, personal interactions and experience that riding his bicycle did.…

Love this comment so much. Your brother sounds cool :)

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Can we please stop trying to diagnose mental health issues when we have no background to do so and don’t actually know the patient

My apologies, however Elon has identified as bipolar publicly. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4746914/Elon-Musk... As someone who has bipolar as well, I think it’s an important thing to talk about and glad he has. Now that he has, I hope we can too without being shut down. It’s not uncommon in our field but it has a huge stigma attached to it that’s unhelpful to the people with it, or to the people are ar…

He literally tweeted that he’s maybe not medically bipolar. Don’t take daily mail headlines at face value

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>You can also travel on a bike from NY to LA. You can. In fact, my brother did so a bunch of years ago. He found it to be a wonderful experience that made his life better. He's also flown on a commercial airplane from NY to LA (as have I, as well as millions of others) and while it got him to Los Angeles, it didn't provide the levels of sensory input, personal interactions and experience that riding his bicycle did.…

Love this comment so much. Your brother sounds cool :)

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