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> Having everything just be explicit JavaScript code This is funny because it's exactly the reason I prefer react
Agreed, I want markup in my logic — not logic in my markup
this!
Svelte is a language
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Re: Svelte is a language
#32Give a quick glance to Svelte. Help me understand, how this syntax {#if expression}...{:else if expression}...{/if} can be seriously invented in our... more civilized age?
It’s not the most pretty syntax, but it’s wayyy better than React’s terrible (expression ? … : …) or (expression && …)
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#33The really exciting thing about svelte is getting rid of the virtual Dom. Having everything just be explicit JavaScript code that modifies the Dom manually makes for really readable code. If you have not tried it, got to the svelte tutorial and look at the output code. It's awesome.
I don’t follow… in what sense is this JavaScript?
Or what about this… is this JavaScript?
$: doubled = count * 2;
{#if user.loggedIn}
Log out
{/if}
Click me
Re: Svelte is a language
#34(2019), since there is a reference to "Svelte 3 around the corner" that is confusing otherwise.
Omg I was confused because the Gist also said “Last active 23 minutes ago” which I thought was the last edited/created time
Re: Svelte is a language
#35Svelte is a major improvement on vuejs. It is a pleasure to work with. I can’t stand react / JSX. Highly recommend anyone who preferred vue over react to give svelte a try.
Specifics needed (please)
One thing is that sveltekit is a “batteries included” opinionated framework. Everything you need is there, the docs are excellent, you don’t need to make any decisions to get the fundamentals of routing, stores, directory structure, and other basic things working. This is the opposite of the traditional nodejs / JavaScript ecosystem of selecting a hodge podge of libs to get even a minimal thing going.
Re: Svelte is a language
#36Great insight. It feels like at some point reactivity as a language primitive should be built into js. Most frameworks start with this and then build out into a opinionated implementation, dissolving the ecosystem into framework fragments. Any known reasons why this is / was never implemented?
You can pretty much do it with proxys.
Re: Svelte is a language
#37If you want a good language that turns into Javascript I recommend PureScript
True, but PS is general purpose while Svelte is a DSL. They did a good job at creating a non-invasive DSL that JS developers can use without much learning
Re: Svelte is a language
#38The really exciting thing about svelte is getting rid of the virtual Dom. Having everything just be explicit JavaScript code that modifies the Dom manually makes for really readable code. If you have not tried it, got to the svelte tutorial and look at the output code. It's awesome.
I don’t follow… in what sense is this JavaScript? Specifically, what is on:click? It doesn’t look like JavaScript, and it doesn’t look like the DOM. It looks like a new language which is specific to Svelte. Or what about this… is this JavaScript? $: doubled = count * 2; Or… {#if user.loggedIn} Log out {/if} Or… Click me I am willing to believe that all of that is ergonomic in some way, but it doesn’t appear to me at…
Reminds me of Angular
Re: Svelte is a language
#39Give a quick glance to Svelte. Help me understand, how this syntax {#if expression}...{:else if expression}...{/if} can be seriously invented in our... more civilized age?
It’s not the most pretty syntax, but it’s wayyy better than React’s terrible (expression ? … : …) or (expression && …)
react didn't invent that syntax. This is a standard piece of C like syntax that most (but not all) languages with curly braces share. JSX/TSX used in react don't make this choice for you, you can use any javascript syntax which can be used when passing a value (eg in a function invocation, or variable declaration). If you don't like it, you are perfectly free to declare a variable and set its value using a regular if / else block and use it directly from the template.
My point is this is not a syntax decision that React made, but svelte's syntax was (as far as I can tell) a decision.
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I haven't used Svelte beyond a couple toy tutorials, but, for me, the infrastructure adapters [1] are the most exciting thing. I love the idea of being able to build using Svelte and auto-magically deploy to something like Cloudflare Pages without completely giving up the potential to deploy somewhere else. 1. https://kit.svelte.dev/docs/adapters
Infrastructure adapters are becoming table stakes for frontend frameworks.
Which other frameworks have them out of interest? Sounds like a great feature. AFAIK Next doesn’t and it’ll be interesting to see if it gets them given it’s from Vercel. When I tried Remix you had to choose your deployment when initialising a project and it didn’t look trivial to change it, but that was a while ago.