Makes sense to me, not competing with manufacturers.
Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC
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Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC
#192I call BS on them being not good market fit, Apple does totally fine with mac mini. also these are just laptops w/o screen and battery. IMO the real reason may be worries around minipcs finally getting good enough that they may cannibalize higher margin PC market. BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine.
> Apple does totally fine with mac mini. Is there data on how well they actually sell? I always vaguely assumed it was a pretty low-volume product that they couldn't actually get rid of due to niche customer applications. They've historically often been very slow to _update_ it; they definitely don't treat it as one of their more important products.
Reminds me of the interview about the Mac Pro where the discussion briefly went on the mac mini as well.
"The Mac Mini remains a product in our lineup" was the phrase that stuck into everyone's mind on how Apple views it.
Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC
#193Of all the NUCs they ever made; there is one singular model with 10G ethernet. And yeah good luck getting it. The lack of any significant IO to the outside world crippled these things massively. I tried to order 3 NUCs once; after waiting 6 months for stock, I gave up. Seems nothing will actually be lost. Anybody make ANYTHING that is nuc-like and has 10G+? HP Elitedesk 800 mini has a flexio option for a single 10g p…
What would be the use case for 10G Ethernet on a NUC computer?
Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC
#194Funny enough, I predicted this in a previous HZ comment 3 months ago when they cut their server systems business. > "My guess is that they're cutting the portfolio down to feature only chipsets and add-in cards. Just CPUs, GPUs, FPGAs, ASICs, networking. It makes sense if anything - it really focuses on their core business. No more side-projects with questionable profitability. In the last 2 years since Pat Gelsinger…
> It's sad to NUCs go, but it was inevitable. They made products for customers, while simultaneously competing with said customers.
That is true, but they're already a decade into shipping NUCs. Maybe it wasn't a problem after all. It could also be just a move to show the stock market that they focus on getting leaner.
RIP NUC :'(
Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC
#195While I am lamenting this, I also never bought one. It's my fault.
Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC
#196Funny enough, I predicted this in a previous HZ comment 3 months ago when they cut their server systems business. > "My guess is that they're cutting the portfolio down to feature only chipsets and add-in cards. Just CPUs, GPUs, FPGAs, ASICs, networking. It makes sense if anything - it really focuses on their core business. No more side-projects with questionable profitability. In the last 2 years since Pat Gelsinger…
I always saw the NUCs as proof of concept for small form factor PCs and to that end I think they have succeeded. There are a ton of different form factors now.
Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC
#197Of all the NUCs they ever made; there is one singular model with 10G ethernet. And yeah good luck getting it. The lack of any significant IO to the outside world crippled these things massively. I tried to order 3 NUCs once; after waiting 6 months for stock, I gave up. Seems nothing will actually be lost. Anybody make ANYTHING that is nuc-like and has 10G+? HP Elitedesk 800 mini has a flexio option for a single 10g p…
What would be the use case for 10G Ethernet on a NUC computer?
From my use cases: NDI Video
Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC
#198I always wanted to like these, but they seemed consistently overpriced by like 30%. I'd price one out with all the necessary parts, and by the end it was always like, why am I not just buying a mac mini (or an RPi, for lower-intensity applications)?
I would say there's a huge performance gap between the most powerful Pi and even a Nuc mini from 6 years ago. Hard to consider them in the same ballpark, use-case-wise.
I’ve done Coremark scores across a range of different systems including NUCs and Pi’s.
A Pi 4 gets a single thread score of about 10k and a new entry level NUC gets about 20k.
If you look at older systems a Beelink T4 Pro Mini (using a much older CPU) gets about 11k well within the same ballpark as a Pi4. Comparing that to a similar aged Pi a Pi3B gets about 4k score.
For comparison a high end AMD Ryzen gets about 45K.
Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC
#199Probably too much competition from other countless small factor vendors. I did not know Intel was making servers
Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sad news. NUCs could have been an excellent platform if they had tried to work a bit more on cooling. On third-party cases, NUCs were great. But on stock cases, some models were too noisy. Still, they provided great value. Nonetheless, I agree it's better for Intel to focus on their core business and leave this market to others. Some niche PC makers such as Cirrus7 offer great NUC-like systems.
Apple worked hard to make cooling work in the Mac Mini, and now the M series of CPUs. Intel just slapped a chip in a generic case.
> Intel just slapped a chip in a generic case.
The "NUC" was actually an Intel developed form factor, smaller than Micro ATX. They had to engineer motherboards, power supplies, and cooling for the extremely small footprint. They were available as barebones kits (without a CPU), so literally the exact opposite of what you suggest.