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Keep Linux Open and Free–We Can’t Afford Not To

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Re: Keep Linux Open and Free–We Can’t Afford Not To

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Post by throwaway_62022 »

itsokimbatman wrote: post #130
throwaway_62022 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oracle does care about open source, to the extent that they have been the top Linux kernel contributor several times. Linux kernel is not entirety of Linux. Given that there is Oracle cloud and various hardware Oracle has to support, it will be almost unthinkable if Oracle did not contribute to Linux kernel. But - I will be interested in Oracle's support for broader Linux ecosystem. How about contributions to GCC,…

I will say that Oracle does contribute to gcc, gdb, and other parts of the GNU tool chain. I interviewed a few years ago with the team that does it. I don’t know how large the contributions are, but they seem super passionate about what they do and believe strongly in giving back

I tried to find some Oracle contributions to gcc and I could find none. See gtk contributors - https://puri.sm/posts/proud-to-be-top-contributor-to-gtk4/ and being a RHEL clone, they actually ship this stuff by default.

They might have an occasional commit or two but clearly they can't stand behind their own promise of developing/supporting an EL distro the way Red hat does. I also don't see it changing tbh. I don't see troves of Open source engineers at Red Hat(or other companies) making a bee line for joining Oracle.

Re: Keep Linux Open and Free–We Can’t Afford Not To

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Post by josephcsible »

vram22 wrote: post #119
josephcsible wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oracle has been a remarkably good steward of Java Well, other than ramming through modules and the --add-opens fiasco from Java 9.

What was the issue about modules?

The point of using setAccessible with reflection was to access private fields and methods, and the module features in Java 9 made that impossible without passing a gigantic list of command-line flags to every invocation of Java.

Re: Keep Linux Open and Free–We Can’t Afford Not To

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Post by monkeywork »

evan1107 wrote: post #8

Yeah this is just opportunistic PR. Oracle cares less about Open Source than even the most brain dead Red Hatter. As with all things Oracle, they are taking the angle that potentially creates a revenue opportunity for themselves. This is fine. I get it but doing it under the guise of higher open source ideals is comically transparent. Their OEL market share mostly consists of them targeting specific Red Hat accounts…

OEL is basically the primary driver that caused RHEL to take this current path this is all just too rich.

Re: Keep Linux Open and Free–We Can’t Afford Not To

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Post by joe_a »

chasil wrote: post #22
evan1107 wrote: post #8

Yeah this is just opportunistic PR. Oracle cares less about Open Source than even the most brain dead Red Hatter. As with all things Oracle, they are taking the angle that potentially creates a revenue opportunity for themselves. This is fine. I get it but doing it under the guise of higher open source ideals is comically transparent. Their OEL market share mostly consists of them targeting specific Red Hat accounts…

Oracle does care about open source, to the extent that they have been the top Linux kernel contributor several times. https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/oracle-is-the-1-contribu... Oracle actually does not undercut the least expensive Red Hat support offerings. Oracle Linux support is $499/year for basic, and $1,399/year for premier. Both tiers allow 24x7 access to file service requests (SRs). https://www.oracle.com…

Not sure about the “Oracle - the no 1 contributor”

https://lwn.net/Articles/915435/

Unless lines of code defines the contribution level… amazing…

Re: Keep Linux Open and Free–We Can’t Afford Not To

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Post by Lutzb »

chasil wrote: post #22
evan1107 wrote: post #8

Yeah this is just opportunistic PR. Oracle cares less about Open Source than even the most brain dead Red Hatter. As with all things Oracle, they are taking the angle that potentially creates a revenue opportunity for themselves. This is fine. I get it but doing it under the guise of higher open source ideals is comically transparent. Their OEL market share mostly consists of them targeting specific Red Hat accounts…

Oracle does care about open source, to the extent that they have been the top Linux kernel contributor several times. https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/oracle-is-the-1-contribu... Oracle actually does not undercut the least expensive Red Hat support offerings. Oracle Linux support is $499/year for basic, and $1,399/year for premier. Both tiers allow 24x7 access to file service requests (SRs). https://www.oracle.com…

Back when Oracle came out with that blog article I tried to recreate the results showing that they were indeed the top contributor. I have no idea what metric they use, but it must be something very specific.

Anyway, the discussion in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32150138 is interesting.

Re: Keep Linux Open and Free–We Can’t Afford Not To

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Post by Lutzb »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #122

This is wonderful trolling on the part of Oracle, I bet they had a lot of fun composing this piece. I just wish they tossed in "We stand by GNU/Linux"[0] - that would be the frosting on the cake. [0] Yeah, I realize that would be difficult - both IBM and Oracle hate FSF equally.

IBMer here, opinions are my own.

You are totally free to not like IBM and I won't try to change your mind, but please read up on IBMs involvement in linux, open source, open source stewardship, apache, linux foundation SCO vs IBM, IBMs no attack pledge against Linux (2004), Linux S390, 1000s of developers getting paid to contribute to open source, istio to just name a few.

The reality is not as black and white as you make it out to be.

Re: Keep Linux Open and Free–We Can’t Afford Not To

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

Lutzb wrote: post #137
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #122

This is wonderful trolling on the part of Oracle, I bet they had a lot of fun composing this piece. I just wish they tossed in "We stand by GNU/Linux"[0] - that would be the frosting on the cake. [0] Yeah, I realize that would be difficult - both IBM and Oracle hate FSF equally.

IBMer here, opinions are my own. You are totally free to not like IBM and I won't try to change your mind, but please read up on IBMs involvement in linux, open source, open source stewardship, apache, linux foundation SCO vs IBM, IBMs no attack pledge against Linux (2004), Linux S390, 1000s of developers getting paid to contribute to open source, istio to just name a few. The reality is not as black and white as you…

Thank you for taking the time to respond. For me there was one decisive moment that changed my perspective on IBM: when they joined the recent crusade against Stallman.

You see, when Red Had started, they very much needed our (let's call it 'Linux community') help. At the beginning people made fun of RH, there were jokes running it's for the people who can't really use Linux, their initial security history was quite bad etc. It was unthinkable that at the time of Bob Young etc. they could attack RMS (and he wasn't much different then, maybe worse even in social terms), not to mention the fact that they were making money selling the software that he inspired to create or just created. Now that the power balance shifted, they felt more courageous and decided to follow the hating crowd. When you think about it a bit, it's really sad.

Re: Keep Linux Open and Free–We Can’t Afford Not To

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Post by Lutzb »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #138
Lutzb wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IBMer here, opinions are my own. You are totally free to not like IBM and I won't try to change your mind, but please read up on IBMs involvement in linux, open source, open source stewardship, apache, linux foundation SCO vs IBM, IBMs no attack pledge against Linux (2004), Linux S390, 1000s of developers getting paid to contribute to open source, istio to just name a few. The reality is not as black and white as you…

Thank you for taking the time to respond. For me there was one decisive moment that changed my perspective on IBM: when they joined the recent crusade against Stallman. You see, when Red Had started, they very much needed our (let's call it 'Linux community') help. At the beginning people made fun of RH, there were jokes running it's for the people who can't really use Linux, their initial security history was quite…

Just to make sure, you are talking about RH resignation from the FSF?

https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-statement-about-richa...

Re: Keep Linux Open and Free–We Can’t Afford Not To

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

Lutzb wrote: post #139
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for taking the time to respond. For me there was one decisive moment that changed my perspective on IBM: when they joined the recent crusade against Stallman. You see, when Red Had started, they very much needed our (let's call it 'Linux community') help. At the beginning people made fun of RH, there were jokes running it's for the people who can't really use Linux, their initial security history was quite…

Just to make sure, you are talking about RH resignation from the FSF? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-statement-about-richa...

Yes, more or less:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26596378

After Selam Gano's hate piece there was a crusade against RMS, with many media outlets repeating untrue information ("Stallman defends Epstein" etc.). And then Red Hat/IBM decided to chime in. In spite of the fact they had been profiting from his work and will continue to do so.

Historically, RMS and RH had good relations, though:

https://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/richard-stallman-i...

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