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Resilience requires helping each other out

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Re: Resilience requires helping each other out

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The question is how to organize reciprocity in large, complex and evolving systems. The canonical approach is through various contracts. But those can be too specific and poorly adapted and even worsen outcomes under stress.

Flexible contracts designed to perform when the "unknown unknowns" materialize are intuitively the "solution", except they dont mesh well will the more typical transactional arrangements that aim to decouple units.

Re: Resilience requires helping each other out

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, the term mutual aid has been co-opted by democrats to mean "charity". Likely because there is a stigma in our society around accepting help...

Democrats mean different things to an international audience. Which democrats are we talking about here ?

Who knows but what is evident is it's just an angry Republican who is struggling to see beyond duality...

Re: Resilience requires helping each other out

#13

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They tend not to fail when religion is a pillar in the community. The Amish and Mennonites are great examples.

I don't believe this behavior has ever been observed in a regliously and ethnically diverse population. People have to be basically related to one another, sharing a core common belief for it to work.

We are all related to each other. A pandemic can wipe us out. A major climate event or a nuclear accident can wreak havoc, increasingly high tech wars can eliminate billions.

We choose to downplay our common dependencies and exaggerate the differences. Its a social game we have learned to play when the stakes for our collective survival were lower.

Re: Resilience requires helping each other out

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The question is how to organize reciprocity in large, complex and evolving systems. The canonical approach is through various contracts. But those can be too specific and poorly adapted and even worsen outcomes under stress. Flexible contracts designed to perform when the "unknown unknowns" materialize are intuitively the "solution", except they dont mesh well will the more typical transactional arrangements that aim…

Social norms are really good at this stuff as long as people do actually spurn people who violate them.

There’s been a recent spate of celebrities in the US who’ve “succeeded” by staying arguably within the bounds of legality while well outside the bounds of the norms we ought to want. Too much of those conversations end up about the legality and not about the much more powerful and more precarious norms being attacked under the hood.

Re: Resilience requires helping each other out

#15
I'm very much seeing this at work.

We have a few dev-teams who are very responsive and cooperative. You see postgres complaining about queries from their application, you inform them, they realize the danger behind it and fix it. For these teams, we're perfectly fine providing prod analytics, adjusting parameters or sizing for a bit. Shitty queries happen, we compensate with some compute resources, you fix, we rescale. Entirely great, dev can move fast, we can be lean.

And then we have other teams. Some query executed twice for every user transaction has a high chance of resulting in unique key violations, which are logged as important errors. Fixes would be not too hard and have been communicated, but deemed "Not customer visible" and thus prioritized to death.

I'll let it up to guesses by the readers which project had sev-0 issues caught early by us and fixed by dev with almost no impact to customers, and which project ended up with a .3% increase in query error rates, which ended up as a sev-0 issue, with SLA discussions involved, and we were entirely blamed for being unable to do shit or at least detect it early.

I dislike growing into the operations team I don't want to be, but some teams demand doing so very, very hard.

Re: Resilience requires helping each other out

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democrats mean different things to an international audience. Which democrats are we talking about here ?

Who knows but what is evident is it's just an angry Republican who is struggling to see beyond duality...

You've just committed the same offense you're rebuking someone for. It's not evident that person is republican, it's only evident that they blame the democrats for a problem.

Re: Resilience requires helping each other out

#17
I’m having trouble tracking down the source, but one study found that furry communities are abnormally resilient to financial stress (especially during the pandemic) compared to other communities with similar cohesion and structures.

The authors postulated that this was because furries and otherkin are more likely to enter into financial transactions with each other, giving and getting in exchange for commissions, ref sheets, profile pics, and other art requests. As a cultural expectation, members of furry communities are also more willing to lean on others in times of need, and are also more likely to help others with their own struggles as resources allow.

Re: Resilience requires helping each other out

#18

The question is how to organize reciprocity in large, complex and evolving systems. The canonical approach is through various contracts. But those can be too specific and poorly adapted and even worsen outcomes under stress. Flexible contracts designed to perform when the "unknown unknowns" materialize are intuitively the "solution", except they dont mesh well will the more typical transactional arrangements that aim…

Social norms are really good at this stuff as long as people do actually spurn people who violate them. There’s been a recent spate of celebrities in the US who’ve “succeeded” by staying arguably within the bounds of legality while well outside the bounds of the norms we ought to want. Too much of those conversations end up about the legality and not about the much more powerful and more precarious norms being attack…

Social contracts are indeed the prime example. But its not clear how we can use them effectively going forward as everything seems to be working against them. E.g., rapid social evolution, urbanization and migration creates strangers that only adhere to minimal common norms. There is also the ambiguous role of social media. While frequently accused of inducing toxicity and polarization, this may actually promote a new set of norms, except not universally shared...

Re: Resilience requires helping each other out

#19
Before we reliably had money, we had barter and "mutual aid." Now, some people think you just pay for stuff with money and if someone is "nice" to you, you don't "owe" them anything.

A lot of people no longer seem to understand the implicit social contract behind such interactions and it can go bad places.

From religion to community development work to politics, there have been myriad attempts to educate people that if you don't understand that you are one figure in a larger equation where 1+1=3, then you are probably messing things up because that "3" isn't supposed to belong entirely to you as an individual and when other people get tired of being shafted, there will eventually be consequences.

You may be able to get away with claiming 1.75 of it and giving them 1.25 of it for a long damn time but if it becomes clear to them that all interactions between you and them benefit you at their expense, well, count on them eventually not being cool with that. (No, you don't get to keep shafting them and expecting something for nothing indefinitely, not even if you brainwash them into believing that being your victim is "The Christian thing to do" or some nonsense. If nothing else, it will eventually kill them, so this is simply not a sustainable model long-term.)

Re: Resilience requires helping each other out

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They tend not to fail when religion is a pillar in the community. The Amish and Mennonites are great examples.

I don't believe this behavior has ever been observed in a regliously and ethnically diverse population. People have to be basically related to one another, sharing a core common belief for it to work.

That's not true. That's common misinformation, but it's not true. In fact it's not just wrong, but it's the exact opposite of what happens.

You just have to look at pretty much any disaster. Communities come together. They do not become cannibalistic hordes like peppers think. This has been proven again, again, and again. There's entire studies on it.

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