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GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

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Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

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Post by lern_too_spel »

olliej wrote: post #27
lern_too_spel wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misread. It won't support Apple CarPlay.

... you are kidding right? Any suggestion that google is somehow less of a spyware company than apple is laughably and objectively false. But it doesn't matter, because they're both companies, and companies are inherently not your friend, so you shouldn't be thinking that your boo will be on your side forever (also see companies claiming that they're "a family"). That Qpple's business model is not dependent on spying…

> but now GM has built google's tracking infrastructure into the core of the car's "entertainment" system.

No, GM is building Android Automotive into every car. Android Automotive is the automotive equivalent to AOSP and can be used with or without Google Automotive Services, which is the automotive equivalent to Google Play Services. Open source is your friend and the only way to guarantee that you are in control of your data. It doesn't matter whether Apple's business model is currently a lower fraction based on spying on its users. It will grow that business, as it has repeatedly signalled, because it ultimately wants to increase profits.

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

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Post by genmud »

eightyfive wrote: post #26
northernman wrote: post #22

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Which existing feature did they remove? You could still use Google maps (and you still can).

In ye olden days, Apple didn’t have its own mapping application, and Google Maps was the default map application for iOS. That changed in iOS 6 when Apple launched Apple Maps, users were defaulted to the inferior app. Google Maps wouldn’t launch its own standalone app on iOS for months (years?). https://techcrunch.com/2012/09/26/the-apple-ios-6-maps-fiasc...

Mostly right... since iOS came out there has been an app called maps, which was using google apis until iOS6, which is the point people started differentiating "Apple Maps" and "Google maps".

IIRC, one of the big reasons it was an upsetting change is there wasn't an option to change default apps and google didn't even have a maps app when iOS6 dropped, so if someone sent you an address, or you clicked on an address link, it always would open in the apple version. Which at the time was dogshit terrible, it was like stepping back in time 5 years.

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

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Post by joezydeco »

smackeyacky wrote: post #24
joezydeco wrote: post #2

I still don't get what Google software GM is targeting, exactly. If it's Android Automotive ( not Android Auto), that ecosystem supports CarPlay. The new Volvo IVI is already doing it and it's in production. From a linked article to the OP: "GM has been working with Google since 2019 to develop the software that will be used in future electric cars." So is there going to be a third auto ecosystem from Google? I guess…

If you count the purchase of Waze they have 4, plus the dead version of Android Auto that ran entirely on your phone. I'm still mad at them for killing the standalone Android Auto. Google maps by itself is a sucky version of that and Waze is not as good either.

Waze is such a lost opportunity. Imagine if that crowdsourced data (accidents, traffic jams, obstacles, speed traps, etc) was integrated into the car itself instead of running in an offboard app.

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

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Post by olliej »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #31
olliej wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... you are kidding right? Any suggestion that google is somehow less of a spyware company than apple is laughably and objectively false. But it doesn't matter, because they're both companies, and companies are inherently not your friend, so you shouldn't be thinking that your boo will be on your side forever (also see companies claiming that they're "a family"). That Qpple's business model is not dependent on spying…

> but now GM has built google's tracking infrastructure into the core of the car's "entertainment" system. No, GM is building Android Automotive into every car. Android Automotive is the automotive equivalent to AOSP and can be used with or without Google Automotive Services, which is the automotive equivalent to Google Play Services. Open source is your friend and the only way to guarantee that you are in control of…

No. Currently I do not use either Apple's or Google's software for my car, now GM is saying all their cars will _always_ be running Google's software, and Google is an advertising company, who's entire profit model is built on top of invading privacy.

> Open source is your friend and the only way to guarantee that you are in control of your data.

Sure, if you can read all the code yourself, but it's kind of moot because:

* Android isn't open source, especially any Google [X] Service code

* Even if it were 100% open source all it means is you get to see the code sending your data to Google.

* It removes any choice for the user: there's no option to choose "do I trust google with my data", "do I trust apple with my data", or "just play music without touching the internet"

> It doesn't matter whether Apple's business model is currently a lower fraction based on spying on its users

I get that you have decided Apple is the enemy, but we need to be clear here. Apple's entire product marketing and product differentiation is privacy at the moment. Maybe in the future they will change (as I said earlier, companies are not your friend, and thinking one is on your side is not sensible), but to hold apple's potential future actions as equivalent to a company like Google, who's entire current business model is built on spying on people is nonsense. You might prefer google's semi-open source model but that doesn't mean it's inherently superior, and more to the point doesn't detract from my position on privacy of consumer data.

Re: GM dealers aren’t happy future EVs won’t support CarPlay

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Post by lern_too_spel »

olliej wrote: post #34
lern_too_spel wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but now GM has built google's tracking infrastructure into the core of the car's "entertainment" system. No, GM is building Android Automotive into every car. Android Automotive is the automotive equivalent to AOSP and can be used with or without Google Automotive Services, which is the automotive equivalent to Google Play Services. Open source is your friend and the only way to guarantee that you are in control of…

No. Currently I do not use either Apple's or Google's software for my car, now GM is saying all their cars will _always_ be running Google's software, and Google is an advertising company, who's entire profit model is built on top of invading privacy. > Open source is your friend and the only way to guarantee that you are in control of your data. Sure, if you can read all the code yourself, but it's kind of moot beca…

> Android isn't open source, especially any Google [X] Service code

As I explained in my previous post, AOSP and Android Automotive are open source and contain no Google service code.

> Even if it were 100% open source all it means is you get to see the code sending your data to Google.

It is, and we can indeed. It's exactly none.

> Apple's entire product marketing and product differentiation is privacy at the moment.

You confused product marketing with product differentiation. I grant you that Apple markets privacy. It does not actually deliver it, with iOS sharing more data with Apple that you cannot stop than even Google-flavored Android builds share with Google. You cannot get your location on iOS without sending your location to Apple, and you cannot install an app on iOS without telling Apple that you installed it.

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