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At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

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If children were in charge, they'd make everything taste like chicken nuggets. Kind of like the Matrix.

Plus, everything would be beige.

i'm pretty sure that not once ever have i heard a kid say their favorite color is beige. from kid's, i'd expect everything to be bright colors.

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

#52
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If children were in charge, they'd make everything taste like chicken nuggets. Kind of like the Matrix.

Plus, everything would be beige.

No that's the favorite color of old women.

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

#53
post #11

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I hate to push the idea of experience, but you can try that next time. That is, don't try and take in the taste individually. Look around and experience everything with you and try to imprint some of that into tasting it. Close your eyes and set the idea that it was all a part of it. Then, later, if you can get back to this specific taste, it can help remind you in very physical ways of being there and having that ex…

You seem to be describing a way to lie to yourself about the taste.

I mean, sorta? This would be like claiming that folks that enjoy a long bike ride are finding a way to lie about difficult physical tasks. (Or marathon runners, or any other difficult thing.)

That is, I'm pointing out that you can use unique tastes to imprint experiences. And if you do that, it is not surprising that you can grow to like the taste, as it is no longer an isolated thing, but a physical reminder of other things.

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

#54

Japan's obsession with tradition gives me real Europe vibes. The people selling it praise it, the people nearby have pride. I eat it and after all the hype, am disappointed. If I try really really hard, I can trick my brain into thinking its worthwhile. (I did just spend a bunch of money, traveled across the world, I should be able to enjoy this more than something I grow in my garden.. right?) I'd love blind taste t…

Ignore whatever expectations people put into you, and go at something with a clear and unprejudiced (in either direction) mind. Take things on their own terms, that way you'll see far easier that a lot of well-known stuff is nothing special and that a great deal of common, overlooked stuff is actually a damn sight better than people give it credit. It's a net win.

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

#55
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I’m curious if handcrafting artisans like this exist in North America/Europe at anywhere near the same scale (and we only see stories from Japan as we view it as something their culture does) or whether this is a uniquely Japanese thing to do. Perhaps we just value it less here in North America. All stories of extremely small batch but precisely crafted products seem to come out of Japan.

Perhaps we just value it less here in North America. I can't speak for Canada or Mexico, but due to so many benefits being tied to full time employment in the US and a general lack of any kind of social safety net, you have to already be independently wealthy or willing to be a starving artist to do something like that - invest a lot of time into learning a craft that probably won't payoff for decades (if at all). Al…

> due to so many benefits being tied to full time employment in the US and a general lack of any kind of social safety net, you have to already be independently wealthy or willing to be a starving artist to do something like that

Something that is kind of wild about the USA is that for as much as the culture seems to value entrepeneurship, the political and economic system is designed to stifle it and discourage people from starting businesses.

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

#56
post #6

Japan's obsession with tradition gives me real Europe vibes. The people selling it praise it, the people nearby have pride. I eat it and after all the hype, am disappointed. If I try really really hard, I can trick my brain into thinking its worthwhile. (I did just spend a bunch of money, traveled across the world, I should be able to enjoy this more than something I grow in my garden.. right?) I'd love blind taste t…

Children have horribly underdeveloped palates. Generally novices in anything, food or otherwise, have trouble appreciating the nuances that make something beautiful.

Novices don't appreciate nuance that trained experts focus on ... yes, that makes sense. But children do actually have more papillae (taste buds) than adults. As we age, we may gain skill in describing what we sense but we also lose taste buds which give us the raw sensory input to start with.

Also on the plus side, children also lack bias and cultural filters and blindspots, which are hard to avoid in adulthood. Kids notice things adults do not and kids don't hold back from talking about details which adults have dulled themselves to or have been trained to not speak of for reasons of tradition or politeness. (Sometimes those things need to be said and we're all thinking them!)

"Out of the mouths of babes."

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

#57
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to push the idea of experience, but you can try that next time. That is, don't try and take in the taste individually. Look around and experience everything with you and try to imprint some of that into tasting it. Close your eyes and set the idea that it was all a part of it. Then, later, if you can get back to this specific taste, it can help remind you in very physical ways of being there and having that ex…

You seem to be describing a way to lie to yourself about the taste.

Taste itself is a deception. Studies have shown that if you dye a steak blue, it will taste subjectively worse to the eater than if it were a normal color, even though the taste should be chemically identical. With taste tests of identical foods, where one is mentioned to be a higher price than the other, the person eating it will prefer the "taste" of the more expensive one.

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

#58
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to push the idea of experience, but you can try that next time. That is, don't try and take in the taste individually. Look around and experience everything with you and try to imprint some of that into tasting it. Close your eyes and set the idea that it was all a part of it. Then, later, if you can get back to this specific taste, it can help remind you in very physical ways of being there and having that ex…

You seem to be describing a way to lie to yourself about the taste.

That "taste" as popularly defined is already a multi-sensory experience probably isn't controversial to you. Most would agree that plugging your nose alters your tasting experience of a food. I fail to see why other sensory organs like ears and eyes are not fair game to include in the experience. Weak beer tastes better on a hot patio. Sipping brandy tastes better next to a crackling fire.

Re: At Japan’s first winery, the country’s oldest grape lives on

#59
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Children have horribly underdeveloped palates. Generally novices in anything, food or otherwise, have trouble appreciating the nuances that make something beautiful.

Novices don't appreciate nuance that trained experts focus on ... yes, that makes sense. But children do actually have more papillae (taste buds) than adults. As we age, we may gain skill in describing what we sense but we also lose taste buds which give us the raw sensory input to start with. Also on the plus side, children also lack bias and cultural filters and blindspots, which are hard to avoid in adulthood. Kid…

> But children do actually have more papillae (taste buds) than adults. As we age, we may gain skill in describing what we sense but we also lose taste buds which give us the raw sensory input to start with.

Sure, but the point is that "nuanced" fancy food is optimized for the taste bud setup of adults, not children. So while theoretically, i guess, you can craft a food piece for children that would be the kind of mindblowing that adults can't experience anymore, that's not what expensive cuisine is optimizing for.

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