Emacs GUI Library

#1

Post by iscream26 » Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 3:52 PM UTC

Re: Emacs GUI Library

#2

Post by omnicognate » Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 4:11 PM UTC

Anybody should feel free to do what they like to emacs, it's free software. But this would be a fork I would have absolutely no interest in whatsoever.

The author sees the fact that emacs UIs are textual as a negative, but it's the reason I love it, the reason I've been using it for 20 years and I dare say the reason some have been using it twice as long. Ditching terminal support and replacing emacs TUIs with GUIs would not be progress, and if that's what you want I doubt modifying emacs is going to be a rewarding way of trying to achieve it. Just use vscode.

Re: Emacs GUI Library

#3

Post by taeric » Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 4:12 PM UTC

I'm actually surprised you can't stage regions in magit, as it clearly seems to indicate that you can. Mark a section and it will ask about regions. Clearly, this hasn't come up that often for me, or I may have already known this. (More likely, if it came up often, someone would have made it work. :D )

I do think regarding things as "text" goes a long way to underestimating what can be done with it. As easy to think of it as serialized symbols, where the symbols can have specific meaning. At this point, the power seems a bit more manifest. If you are lucky (and someone else has put in the work), then you can use familiar "textual" symbol manipulations and that will keep meaning in the other domain that is being represented.

Re: Emacs GUI Library

#4

Post by Decabytes » Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 4:14 PM UTC

Recently I've been consolidating my workflow. First is using a single monitor, and then using shortcuts to switch to other Windows when I need to. I find that for me it's easy to get distracted when I have multiple different Windows up.

I also have moved from a workflow in Emacs where I split my buffer and have things side by side, to one where I make new frames and then flip to the frames. This is easier on my eyes as I can have a large window for larger fonts, and I don't have to deal with wrapping in both Windows.

I love Emacs but I agree with the poster about how everything as text can have its drawbacks. I'd love to see a NeoEmacs that addresses some of these issues

Re: Emacs GUI Library

#5

Post by omnicognate » Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 4:17 PM UTC

taeric wrote: post #3

I'm actually surprised you can't stage regions in magit, as it clearly seems to indicate that you can. Mark a section and it will ask about regions. Clearly, this hasn't come up that often for me, or I may have already known this. (More likely, if it came up often, someone would have made it work. :D ) I do think regarding things as "text" goes a long way to underestimating what can be done with it. As easy to think…

You certainly can stage regions. The author is complaining of a bug - not one I've seen and possibly some sort of interaction with another package he's using. Magit's author is awesome so maybe worth raising a github issue... and donating!

Re: Emacs GUI Library

#6

Post by znpy » Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 4:24 PM UTC

> You start your WM of choice1, you launch Emacs, and as long as the Emacs window is focused, you live in Emacs.

what if there is no WM?

I do most of my work on a cloud machine where i run emacs in screen, for example

Re: Emacs GUI Library

#7

Post by jfb » Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 4:29 PM UTC

omnicognate wrote: post #2

Anybody should feel free to do what they like to emacs, it's free software. But this would be a fork I would have absolutely no interest in whatsoever. The author sees the fact that emacs UIs are textual as a negative, but it's the reason I love it, the reason I've been using it for 20 years and I dare say the reason some have been using it twice as long. Ditching terminal support and replacing emacs TUIs with GUIs w…

I have long wanted something that was basically a modern~ish Smalltalk environment, that spends more energy integrating with the rest of the world. Emacs is as close as we can get to a system that is inspectable, plastic, and open; I want those qualities in my entire computing environment, and there is literally nothing available for any price better than Emacs at this, but Emacs isn't good at it.

Re: Emacs GUI Library

#8

Post by gglitch » Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 4:32 PM UTC

znpy wrote: post #6

> You start your WM of choice1, you launch Emacs, and as long as the Emacs window is focused, you live in Emacs. what if there is no WM? I do most of my work on a cloud machine where i run emacs in screen, for example

Elsewhere, the author makes the point that with TRAMP, your local (gui) Emacs can transparently operate your remote machines (bringing with it of course all the customizations and functionality you've built into your local config--and of course your local window management).

https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/tramp/Qu...

Re: Emacs GUI Library

#9

Post by Scarbutt » Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 4:34 PM UTC

znpy wrote: post #6

> You start your WM of choice1, you launch Emacs, and as long as the Emacs window is focused, you live in Emacs. what if there is no WM? I do most of my work on a cloud machine where i run emacs in screen, for example

Then screen is your WM for the remote VM.

Re: Emacs GUI Library

#10

Post by andsoitis » Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 4:41 PM UTC

Decabytes wrote: post #4

Recently I've been consolidating my workflow. First is using a single monitor, and then using shortcuts to switch to other Windows when I need to. I find that for me it's easy to get distracted when I have multiple different Windows up. I also have moved from a workflow in Emacs where I split my buffer and have things side by side, to one where I make new frames and then flip to the frames. This is easier on my eyes…

> I love Emacs but I agree with the poster about how everything as text can have its drawbacks. I'd love to see a NeoEmacs that addresses some of these issues

What are the top 3 or 5 things or so you think a NeoEmacs should solve/improve?