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Post by imdsm »

PostOnce wrote: post #19

"Open" AI, a charity to benefit us all by pushing and publishing the frontier of scientific knowledge. Nevermind, fuckers, actually it's just to take your jobs and make a few VCs richer. We'll keep the science a secret and try to pressure the government into making it illegal for you to compete with us. https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama https://huggingface.co/TheBlok…

> "Open" AI, a charity to benefit us all by pushing and publishing the frontier of scientific knowledge. > Nevermind, fuckers, actually it's just to take your jobs and make a few VCs richer. We'll keep the science a secret and try to pressure the government into making it illegal for you to compete with us.

1. I don't think this is the right place for this kind of content, perhaps find your way back to Twitter or Reddit

2. Have you contributed funds to OpenAI? If not, where did your sense of entitlement come from?

3. What makes you think that any of what OpenAI has produced and provided would be available without funding? I assume the answer to 1 above will be no, so, how do you expect them to build without funds?

and 4. What's stopping you from creating what you thought OpenAI should be? Feel free. Nobody stopping you.

Re: GPT-4 details leaked?

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Post by goatlover »

namaria wrote: post #267
ben_w wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The public position (as opposed to the rumour mills) is that they're not working on a 5, and don't intend to at least until they can figure out how to do it safely.

And safely here means non disruptive to established businesses. If they create a tool so powerful that it can replace entire professional classes, that would just mean people can bypass the employers and get their value directly from an API. OpenAI needs to make sure they have a business model where they can charge enterprise fees and provide value to corporations, not directly to people. ChatGPT was merely a publici…

Or it means they are legitimately concerned about the capabilities of models more powerful than GPT-4 and their impacts on society. Didn't a bunch of influential people sign a six month halt on AI research to figure out alignment?

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Post by varispeed »

dylan604 wrote: post #366
blueprint wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to break it to you but that is part of science. Perhaps the major part of it too. Hypothesis: I can build a cabinet with these materials which will bear some load range. Experiment: I built it and it obviously works. Now change cabinet to particle accelerator that a giant team of other theorists and engineers designed. Am I not doing science by participating in building it? So experimental scientists arent sci…

To me, you're describing the differences between a cook and a chef. Just because you've built something with well known methods doesn't make you a scientist. You didn't come up with anything new. In fact, we're starting to sound a lot like Apple. Apple is (in)famous for taking ideas that someone else did all of the hard work of developing and proving to work, and then take various ideas like that to combine into an a…

This image is burned into my retina https://en.meming.world/images/en/a/aa/Something_of_a_Scient...

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Post by marstall »

imdsm wrote: post #421
PostOnce wrote: post #19

"Open" AI, a charity to benefit us all by pushing and publishing the frontier of scientific knowledge. Nevermind, fuckers, actually it's just to take your jobs and make a few VCs richer. We'll keep the science a secret and try to pressure the government into making it illegal for you to compete with us. https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama https://huggingface.co/TheBlok…

> "Open" AI, a charity to benefit us all by pushing and publishing the frontier of scientific knowledge. > Nevermind, fuckers, actually it's just to take your jobs and make a few VCs richer. We'll keep the science a secret and try to pressure the government into making it illegal for you to compete with us. 1. I don't think this is the right place for this kind of content, perhaps find your way back to Twitter or Red…

I think his post is appropriate here, and on point. how about responding to his arguments about algorithm secrecy and the push to regulate competition?

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Post by ilaksh »

ben_w wrote: post #236
wrasee wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand this. Won’t that hurt their progress on GPT-5?

The public position (as opposed to the rumour mills) is that they're not working on a 5, and don't intend to at least until they can figure out how to do it safely.

I believe that the superalignment thing will basically be GPT-5.

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Post by freedmand »

elzbardico wrote: post #358

It is a bit problematic if it is being trained on copyrighted textbooks without compensation for the authors. Even for open-source science, I think it is a bit unethical if OpenAI is using public founded research without attribution or compensation. Tax Payers paid for those NIH grants, you know...

Wait til you see all the copyrighted and pirated data most large language models are trained on:

- https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/a...

- https://pile.eleuther.ai/ (data hosted by https://the-eye.eu/, where it's not too hard to find pirated, copyrighted books, e.g. https://the-eye.eu/public/Books/cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/li...)

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Post by jncfhnb »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #229
PostOnce wrote: post #19

"Open" AI, a charity to benefit us all by pushing and publishing the frontier of scientific knowledge. Nevermind, fuckers, actually it's just to take your jobs and make a few VCs richer. We'll keep the science a secret and try to pressure the government into making it illegal for you to compete with us. https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama https://huggingface.co/TheBlok…

>> We'll keep the science a secret and try to pressure the government into making it illegal for you to compete with us. Just to be clear, there's no science being kept secret because there is no science being done. OpenAI's is a feat of engineering, borne aloft by a huge budget supporting a large team whose expertise lies in tuning neural net systems, and not in doing science. Machine learning, as it is practiced to…

Sure. But remember also that the standard “science” is largely a broken model. Academia sucks. It’s honestly bad. It’s overflowing with papers that are misleading, irrelevant, or fraudulent due to a mix of poor stats knowledge, bad incentives, and a failure to organize effectively.

While people praise the scientific method, the majority of achievements we attribute to “science” are not derived from guess and check grad students doing their thing.

The standard paper is not very good. And a lot of the reason is that our scientific model is largely designed to find tiny effect sizes. Which is fine for like… medical stuff. But the juice is in large effect sizes. Stuff so obvious you don’t really need the stats to evaluate it. It doesn’t really matter if you followed the scientific method or not when you discover penicillin. It just works, clearly. And you can demonstrate it working again.

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Post by mdp2021 »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #78
BoorishBears wrote: post #34

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Why the vitriol towards OpenAI? If Elon hadn't pulled the rug out from under them after they refused his forceful takeover*, they wouldn't have had to go to Microsoft and they'd still be open. * a takeover which he predicated on the claim that OpenAI was "doomed to fail"

Every company who promotes and develops AI is morally responsible for the coming disaster that it will bring on us. If I could have one wish it would be that every trace of AI research is destroyed.

> develops AI is morally responsible

Responsible for an attempt to arrive at the construction of production facilities for a good that seems to be in dire scarcity in today's world: intelligence.

If somebody comes and implements "artificial morons", that is actually out of the root that made the field of research necessary.

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Post by feoren »

imdsm wrote: post #421
PostOnce wrote: post #19

"Open" AI, a charity to benefit us all by pushing and publishing the frontier of scientific knowledge. Nevermind, fuckers, actually it's just to take your jobs and make a few VCs richer. We'll keep the science a secret and try to pressure the government into making it illegal for you to compete with us. https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama https://huggingface.co/TheBlok…

> "Open" AI, a charity to benefit us all by pushing and publishing the frontier of scientific knowledge. > Nevermind, fuckers, actually it's just to take your jobs and make a few VCs richer. We'll keep the science a secret and try to pressure the government into making it illegal for you to compete with us. 1. I don't think this is the right place for this kind of content, perhaps find your way back to Twitter or Red…

> 2. Have you contributed funds to OpenAI? If not, where did your sense of entitlement come from?

Is your argument that we need to have given a company money before we can be opposed to their unethical business practices? We're talking about a company that wantonly disregarded copyright, broke the DMCA billions of times (proving that law is for completely destroying individuals who want to personally enjoy some media they probably otherwise wouldn't buy, not for corporations who want to hoard the wealth collectively made by all of society), charges its users even when its product is not delivered due to their own server errors, and then goes in front of congress to try to put up a regulatory moat to make competition illegal. Everything they do is based on "the law applies to you, not us." And you're saying that we're entitled for being outraged by this?

> 4. What's stopping you from creating what you thought OpenAI should be? Feel free. Nobody stopping you.

That's literally what Sam Altman is trying to get congress to do. This will literally be illegal if we don't fight back. This is literally what the poster you're arguing against is saying is happening. How many more "literally"s do I need here!?

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