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Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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> That doesn’t really exist any more. But the lack of driver support still does. Linux on a modern laptop is just full of headaches. I mean, https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen7-7840u this is typical: GNOME doesn't work, graphical glitches... In my own experience, operating MFC devices over several years is a nightmare, Bluetooth is problematic as well, some proprietary VPNs do not have Linux clients which migh…

> I mean, https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen7-7840u So, they took a cutting edge Windows PC, slapped Linux on it, and it didn't work well. How well did OSX do when they tried it? Clearly, OSX isn't ready for the desktop! No wonder nobody runs it! Modern computers are complex enough that they can work well with Windows, OSX, or Linux, but they don't work well with more than one of them (unless the designers wor…

So true. If you get a System76 laptop you can get some really amazing hardware and make sure to never pay the Windows license fee.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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I think that is an important milestone. An OS whose hardware support is largely closed source on one side and painfully reverse-engineered on the other. Thisnk about the graphics hardware. For years, during the desktop boom in the 2000s, most of the support for networking hardware, wired and wireless, was based on binary blobs coming from Windows OSs and "imported" into a Linux system. How could you dare to use Linux…

>Windows, on the other side, has a basically monolithic environment in the name of ... dunno what. Consistency, stability?

Stability and consistency is a Windows illusion. Can you run a Windows PC for months without rebooting (no OS update)?

To me it's more market grip on people that prefers chains to freedom, not thinking to thinking.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Seems that this website blocks any access from HK completely through cloudflare... Cloudflare making it easy to block entire countries, allow people to be lazy in protecting their websites and goes completely against the open web. Of course I could use a vpn but it's getting tiring that I have to do so more and more often.

And (temporarily in) Cambodia.

same, in Siem Reap

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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The big question is IMHO why.

Are people fleeing the Windows as Ad Space direction? Are they fed up with Mac OS oddities? Do they use their Steam deck more?

Or are they just enjoying the Linux experience....

I know that after years of Linux usage I can't stand Windows in-your-face Ads and "use our accounts". And I can't stand the locked down Apple ecosystem either. But what drives others? Are there any good sources on that question?

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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The big question is IMHO why. Are people fleeing the Windows as Ad Space direction? Are they fed up with Mac OS oddities? Do they use their Steam deck more? Or are they just enjoying the Linux experience.... I know that after years of Linux usage I can't stand Windows in-your-face Ads and "use our accounts". And I can't stand the locked down Apple ecosystem either. But what drives others? Are there any good sources o…

I'm not your average user (as most in this forum), but I've recently migrated to Linux as my daily driver because of Windows as Ad Space :)

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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> What stung before was that people were forced to use Windows because of lock-ins, software compatibility, etc. That doesn’t really exist any more. That's a funny conclusion to make. In the business world that still exists and even my kids are forced into the Microsoft eco-system by their school because the software they insist you run (for which perfectly good web alternatives exist) only runs on windows.

True, but increasingly marginal. Many schools have adopted Chromebooks (Linux in disguise) and even the MS Office suite has largely moved online.

A lot of people are stuck on Windows or MacOS because of one killer app - Photoshop, a CAD/CAM package, a video or audio editor, or some proprietary bit of business software. Many of these applications have tens or hundreds of millions of dollars worth of dev time invested in them and it just isn't realistic to expect an open source alternative to compete.

I'm in that boat, but I don't especially mind. I run Windows because it allows me to run Fusion 360, but Windows Subsystem for Linux gives me a full Linux dev environment. A younger me would have got angry about it, but present me accepts that platform lock-in effects are very strong; fortunately for Linux, it dominates every new category of platform. I sincerely doubt that anyone will ever develop a new proprietary OS from scratch, because the business case for putting a pretty UI on Linux is overwhelming.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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All work and no game ...

Steam is there, with Proton, and Lutris. It's almost a better experience than the twelve different launchers situation I left behind (though they're annoying in very different ways!)

I was recently surprised to find installing battle.net with Steam Proton is not only possible, but dead simple, and actually worked. I had been trying for days using the lutris installer, but just shit keeps breaking endlessly. At some point I compiled lutris into a venv just to try and solve all the dependency shit that was lurking in there.

But lutris as it stands now breaks everything almost every time I use it. I had steam unlaunchable for over a week because of something lutris was doing implicitly. Now running steam directly off the CLI seems to be working for 90% of the games I play (which isn't a very long list).

Only thing I doubt I will be able to figure out is stuff like fortnite or anything that uses easy-anti-cheat (since their devs give a fuck about linux and effectively believe we are all hackers trying to ruin their game).

That's all I got, don't bother with Lutris unless you have an insane amount of time to debug which component is missing.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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True, but increasingly marginal. Many schools have adopted Chromebooks (Linux in disguise) and even the MS Office suite has largely moved online.

I agree. Google Classroom exploded during the pandemic in my local school systems. Enterprises are moving to Workspace from 365. I hope they drive each other's prices to the bottom. :)

"Enterprises are moving to Workspace from 365" not in any meaningful numbers.
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