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Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by rwiggins »

taneliv wrote: post #143
borissk wrote: post #77

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A lot of people are locked-in Windows, but as Microsoft more and more ruins the OS by pushing advertisement, telemetry, slow cloud services, new versions of apps optimized for those who don't know how to use a computer, rather than experts - there will be plenty of users switching to Linux.

Heavily doubt that those would make people switch. Maaaybe, if their social circle already uses Linux. However, make the next Minecraft, Fortnite or Roblox work only (or considerably better) on Linux desktop[ ], and you will suddenly gain a lot more new users. Some of whom will stick around, since all their other apps work the same in the browser. [ ] Whatever that term means, even the article makes a distinction bet…

It made me switch, anyway, recently - specifically another one of those "Oh, let's finish setting up your computer" (i.e., try to trick you into trying Edge again, probably, or set up a "Microsoft" account) with my only options being "Remind me later" or "OK" was the straw that broke the camel's back.

That said, I'm far from your typical desktop user. I'm vaguely Linux sysadmin adjacent, and I ran Linux as my primary OS for many years - until one day I noticed I was mostly booted into Windows for gaming and decided to reclaim that SSD space.

Gaming on Linux has come... leaps and bounds. It's actually extraordinary. Still many sharp edges, but the Steam Deck might in fact be the first spark of a revolution here. We'll see, I guess.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by holoduke »

DeathArrow wrote: post #216
hnlmorg wrote: post #114

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No. I will use the OS I like and others will use the OS they prefer. It’s called choice. What stung before was that people were forced to use Windows because of lock-ins, software compatibility, etc. That doesn’t really exist any more. If there is one good thing about web apps, it’s that browsers are now the application run time and browsers are more cross platform than any software libraries that have come before it…

> If there is one good thing about web apps, it’s that browsers are now the application run time and browsers are more cross platform than any software libraries that have come before it. I'd take every day a native app running locally over a web app. And I am a web developer.

Not anymore. Last gen phones have enough performance to run webapps without a single loss in performance, look and feel compared to native apps. Native apps will remain, but you see more and more SPAs wrapped in a hybrid app still maintaining a 'native'look. Costs of developing webapps is dramatically lower. Although native knowledge is still required for Auth, billing, advertising and other required native stuff.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by borissk »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #228
borissk wrote: post #87

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Microsoft SQL Server runs on Linux and Windows.

But you need SSMS on a Windows client to manage it effectively. Unless you are doing everything cli, which is just not practical in the enterprise. Anyway, running it in Linux is pretty niche. Cool for show and tell, but you need balls of steel if you're going to try running even a small $100 million dollar business on it.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/azure-data-studio/down...

It's fully supported by Microsoft on Linux, so if you run into technical problems you have a support line to call.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

blooalien wrote: post #207
pjmlp wrote: post #107

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Indeed, if we are speaking about the Linux kernel , which isn't what most of these articles are about.

Except that Linux is the kernel. Anything beyond that is "UserSpace"/"distro".

For careless usage, "Linux" means Linux distro.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by jacquesm »

hnlmorg wrote: post #114
bruce511 wrote: post #68

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And yet not having a presence on the desktop stings a bit doesn't it :). You can conquer the world, dominate every space and yet there's thus little voice inside saying "but you're not good enough. See over there, in that one space, you're a weakling. " Welcome to the human condition.

No. I will use the OS I like and others will use the OS they prefer. It’s called choice. What stung before was that people were forced to use Windows because of lock-ins, software compatibility, etc. That doesn’t really exist any more. If there is one good thing about web apps, it’s that browsers are now the application run time and browsers are more cross platform than any software libraries that have come before it…

> What stung before was that people were forced to use Windows because of lock-ins, software compatibility, etc. That doesn’t really exist any more.

That's a funny conclusion to make. In the business world that still exists and even my kids are forced into the Microsoft eco-system by their school because the software they insist you run (for which perfectly good web alternatives exist) only runs on windows.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by jacquesm »

holoduke wrote: post #232
DeathArrow wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there is one good thing about web apps, it’s that browsers are now the application run time and browsers are more cross platform than any software libraries that have come before it. I'd take every day a native app running locally over a web app. And I am a web developer.

Not anymore. Last gen phones have enough performance to run webapps without a single loss in performance, look and feel compared to native apps. Native apps will remain, but you see more and more SPAs wrapped in a hybrid app still maintaining a 'native'look. Costs of developing webapps is dramatically lower. Although native knowledge is still required for Auth, billing, advertising and other required native stuff.

It's not just loss in performance, it's also loss of your data and control over that data.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by DeathArrow »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #84
7e wrote: post #75

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Sure, Linux is on many, many devices which have proprietary UIs. And there it does pretty well, because the kernel just provides generic functionality cheaply. It’s a commodity backend that could be swapped with another commodity backend without any users knowing or caring. Hooray. Linux is the go to choice when you could just as well be using something else that’s really cheap, like BSD. However, desktop Linux is wh…

> Sure, Linux is on many, many devices which have proprietary UIs. And there it does pretty well, because the kernel just provides generic functionality cheaply. It’s a commodity backend that could be swapped with another commodify backend without any users knowing or caring. Hooray. Sour grapes. > Linux is the go to choice when you could just as well be using something else that’s really cheap, like BSD. You actuall…

>They don't use a BSD licensed kernel in many such places (e.g., Android) because Linux is more advanced.

More advanced in what sense? There are lots of devices using BSD, so that's entirely possible.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by grive »

p0w3n3d wrote: post #197

I would say that Linux is the second desktop for development (behind MacOS, in front of Windows), however... I wonder if any of you tried to develop C/C++ on MacOS. It seems that it's impossible to find leaks and misbehavior, while on Linux there is this valgrind that does everything for you. MacOS have some `leaks` tool but it does not really do half of the things valgrind does. So probably I would say "Linux is in…

I mean yes that's a weird take, why would MacOS be considered first?

I have a Mac provided by my company. None of my development tools are available there, profiling, debugging is a hassle.

The only way I can work on it is by booting up linux VM, or connecting to my servers to compile there.

Mac is just terrible for development. It's barely better than Windows.

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