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Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by bruce511 »

vasco wrote: post #160
bruce511 wrote: post #99

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I'm sure it stings a lot! Windows Server is expensive, and a huge money earner for MS. They currently have around 20% market share (as Internet servers - much higher inside business LANs), which is a very nice chunk. And I'm sure encourages them to keep working on it. Frankly the tooling for MS server keeps it in the hunt - they really understand the concept of making things easier to use.

> They currently have around 20% market share (as Internet servers - Extremely big doubts about this. How would anyone even know? All the hyperscale datacenters built by FAANG must be 99.9% Linux, and those DCs alone would probably be enough to make 20% impossible to hit for windows.

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_sys...

(Scroll down to servers)

Incidentally this is public facing Internet servers. The % -inside- enterprises us much much higher.

Tools like Active Directory allow you to scale enterprise operations, which is important for companies that have hundreds-of-thousands of desktops etc.

In any event your estimate of 99.9% is unlikely. AWS offers Windows based EC2 instances, and one presumes they're not doing that for 0.01% of the market. Azure will likely have an even higher %.

From the data though, not just guessing, I'd say it's about 20% overall.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by wheels »

laserbeam wrote: post #34

Every once in a while I'm tempted to switch back to Linux (I used to have that as my desktop between 10 and 15 years ago), but then I remember: - My DJ software (which I pay for) is not supported at all on Linux (likewise true for most common music production software). - The Affinity suite (which I paid for) is not supported on Linux. - The best debugger I can find (remedybg, which I paid for) doesn't work there. -…

The lack of pro-audio software is definitely a thing. Mixxx is pretty good though for DJing. It's better than most of the rest of the pro-audio landscape on Linux. There are now also pretty good DAWs (Bitwig, especially).

Releasing binaries is still a PITA for Linux. That's one of the main reason it has so little support from closed source consumer software. If you care, see my comment history on my company dropping Linux support for a pro-audio app, even though our software works on Linux.

But for development tools, it's you-win-some-you-lose-some. There are some development tools (the Valgrind suite, for example) that I still miss after mostly switching to macOS. Going from Linux to macOS also means losing great tools.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by AmericanChopper »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #167
AmericanChopper wrote: post #153

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Is a windows server a desktop PC. If not, why?

If you daily drive it with a GUI, then it's close enough.

Can you think of any reasons why it may have been omitted from these statistics then?

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Post by trimethylpurine »

borissk wrote: post #136
bruce511 wrote: post #89

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Most users are not even aware of telemetry. Those who find the cloud services slow can just stop using them. The advertising seems to be local to the US because I've never seen it, but I expect users will ignore it just like they ignore it on TV, Google, Facebook, Twitter, on every roadside, at every mall and do on. Frankly advertising is everywhere, avoiding it doesn't seem to be a priority. I think you summed it up…

>> Those who find the cloud services slow can just stop using them. Microsoft has made sure users can't stop using cloud services, unless they spend a ton of effort every time a new update that re-enables them is released. E.g. try to disable the web search in the Windows start menu. >> And there are 97% of the world like her and, 3% like you ;) If the 3% expert users switch away from Windows it will be the beginning…

I disabled it and haven't had any issues. Use group policy, quick web search, few steps to follow.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by trimethylpurine »

Johnny555 wrote: post #187
zelphirkalt wrote: post #181

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It does not have to be all black and white. You could use GNU/Linux for everything else. Or you could have it on a separate machine to try workflows on or just to be able to use both separately.

I chose the opposite, I run OSX as my primary os and Linux in a VM for when I want Linux (which is pretty much just for developing stuff that will run on a Linux server). I used to run Linux as my primary desktop OS, but got tired of things almost, but not completely working. Things like not always waking from sleep, sound, fingerprint reader, etc.

Yup. It's still like that.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by blooalien »

pjmlp wrote: post #107
ojbyrne wrote: post #79

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Honestly, it feels like mentioning the concept of "desktop" seems a little weak, like someone from 2010. Chances are you have linux running in a VM, or container, or phone, or other device right beside you.

Indeed, if we are speaking about the Linux kernel , which isn't what most of these articles are about.

Except that Linux is the kernel. Anything beyond that is "UserSpace"/"distro".

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by fsflover »

Johnny555 wrote: post #187
zelphirkalt wrote: post #181

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It does not have to be all black and white. You could use GNU/Linux for everything else. Or you could have it on a separate machine to try workflows on or just to be able to use both separately.

I chose the opposite, I run OSX as my primary os and Linux in a VM for when I want Linux (which is pretty much just for developing stuff that will run on a Linux server). I used to run Linux as my primary desktop OS, but got tired of things almost, but not completely working. Things like not always waking from sleep, sound, fingerprint reader, etc.

Looks like your problems come from unsupported hardware, not Linux.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by DeathArrow »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #49

I wonder why they keep making these articles. Linux is on more computers both today and all of the computers ever made put together than any other OS. It is on virtually all servers on the Internet, the majority OS on phones, its in many TVs and STBs and streaming sticks, its one of the few OSes ever in space, its one of the few OSes ever on Mars, and it is also the OS behind ChromeOS (which that article mistakenly b…

Yet, there's no such thing as Linux operating system. What runs on those machines are thousands of Linux distros, each being an operating system.

You can't get an app designed for Android to run on Linux Mint with ease.

Re: Linux has achieved a 3% desktop market share

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Post by dna_polymerase »

hnlmorg wrote: post #114
bruce511 wrote: post #68

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And yet not having a presence on the desktop stings a bit doesn't it :). You can conquer the world, dominate every space and yet there's thus little voice inside saying "but you're not good enough. See over there, in that one space, you're a weakling. " Welcome to the human condition.

No. I will use the OS I like and others will use the OS they prefer. It’s called choice. What stung before was that people were forced to use Windows because of lock-ins, software compatibility, etc. That doesn’t really exist any more. If there is one good thing about web apps, it’s that browsers are now the application run time and browsers are more cross platform than any software libraries that have come before it…

> What stung before was that people were forced to use Windows because of lock-ins, software compatibility, etc. That doesn’t really exist any more.

What? This is very real and a key driver not to use Linux or Mac for millions of users. As soon as even a little performance is required webapps just can't compare. Look at anything graphics related especially 3d, CAD or video. You might be able to build shitty infographics for Instagram on Canva but real work still requires access to compute at the edge and most software providers in those spaces target Microsoft only.

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