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Post by jackstraw14 »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #95
M3L0NM4N wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a pessimistic view to take that I cannot even begin to describe how you are wrong.

I would love to see your rebuttals, especially since I have never seen any strong arguments in favour of AI being a net benefit to society, and I have thought and read about this at lenght. Of course, I always expect downvotes on my posts here since there is a strong tendency towards loving technology here. But what I find most interesting is that there is absolutely no taking of responsibility of any technological c…

> But what I find most interesting is that there is absolutely no taking of responsibility of any technological creations.

I appreciate your willingness to talk about it, but to be honest it doesn't seem like it matters much what you, or any of us (not singling you out in particular), thinks about it, does it? It probably doesn't even matter who these people are who should take responsibility. This is one genie, like the internet, that probably isn't going back in the bottle anytime soon. I haven't seen any argument against "AI" that's much different than those against "the internet" and "computers" that we've at other times in the last 50 years when tech hit new mind-blowing milestones. It just keeps going regardless, right?

Re: GPT-4 details leaked?

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Post by KronisLV »

antupis wrote: post #92
KronisLV wrote: post #76

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> You can use the above without paying OpenAI. You don't even need a GPU. There are no license issues like with the facebook llama. I actually wrote about getting an LLM chatbot up and running a while ago: https://blog.kronis.dev/tutorials/self-hosting-an-ai-llm-cha... It's good that the technology and models are both available for free, and you don't even need a GPU for it. However, there are still large memory requ…

I bet that open models win in the end because porn. There is already very weird and vibrant community creating "waifus" and tinkering with these models.

Huh, more power to those folks then, I guess.

But I can easily imagine more conventional forms of entertainment, as well. Like a game of D&D that's narrated by the AI, or a text based adventure set in the Mass Effect universe, Lord of the Rings, Warhammer or any other fandom, really. Maybe like those old Choose Your Own Adventure games.

I think some companies are also experimenting with characters in video games that get their dialogue from these models - where the developers give the character a persona, provide information about events in the world and let players interact with them, like the Detective Origins demo. Of course, due to the slightly unpredictable nature of these models and their hardware requirements, no idea how viable this will be.

Re: GPT-4 details leaked?

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Post by Dylan16807 »

BoorishBears wrote: post #52
93po wrote: post #40

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This a really interesting spin on reality

I think this commentary was pithier in your head... https://hackernoon.com/how-openai-transitioned-from-a-nonpro...

A "capped" profit of 100x is absolutely ridiculous. That is not even the slightest attempt to stay in the same ballpark as nonprofit.

Blaming any loss of Elon money for that is spin.

And he still gave them a hundred million.

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Post by ly3xqhl8g9 »

carabiner wrote: post #59
PostOnce wrote: post #19

"Open" AI, a charity to benefit us all by pushing and publishing the frontier of scientific knowledge. Nevermind, fuckers, actually it's just to take your jobs and make a few VCs richer. We'll keep the science a secret and try to pressure the government into making it illegal for you to compete with us. https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama https://huggingface.co/TheBlok…

We must destroy OpenAI!

From the post:

    [Rumors that start to become lawsuits]

    Some speculations are:
    - LibGen (4M+ books)
    - Sci-Hub (80M+ papers)
    - All of GitHub
This is the most funny, but in the end sad aspect. If ChatGPT was indeed trained on pirated content and is able to be(come) such a powerful tool, then the copyright laws should have been abolished yesterday. If ChatGPT was not trained on all these resources out there, then think how much powerful a tool it would be if it were trained, then copyright laws are actively stifling advancement and should have been abolished yesterday.

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Post by charcircuit »

PostOnce wrote: post #19

"Open" AI, a charity to benefit us all by pushing and publishing the frontier of scientific knowledge. Nevermind, fuckers, actually it's just to take your jobs and make a few VCs richer. We'll keep the science a secret and try to pressure the government into making it illegal for you to compete with us. https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama https://huggingface.co/TheBlok…

>There are no license issues like with the facebook llama.

OpenLLaMa uses a dataset which does not seem to have gotten propper commercial licensing for the training data. There is potential licensing issues because the copyright situation is not well defended.

Re: GPT-4 details leaked?

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Post by ben_w »

PostOnce wrote: post #58
BoorishBears wrote: post #50

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Did you actually read my comment or did you have a preplanned diatribe? They didn't start the private company until the person who promised them $1B reneged. That person reneged because they tried to forcefully takeover and were rebuked. They were running out of money and forced to raise funds in a very for-profit way or fold. - Edit: Rate limited because the hivemind has decided that it's unacceptable to insult thei…

So fold. Running out of money to run a charity means they now suddenly need to fuck over the people the charity was supposed to help (that is, everyone on earth ) ? Imagine if a feed the homeless charity accepted private investment and went around installing anti-homeless spikes everywhere after stopping feeding anyone. It's a similar style of behavior.

It's not even remotely the same as anti-homeless spikes.

We've just had the massive fine against 3M for knowing and hiding the risks of PFAS, and the top comments here were "increase the fines! Lock up the bosses!"

Now we have a company going "we had to put a lot of effort into preventing this model from cheerfully outputting Al Quaida propaganda, explicit rape threats, and detailed instructions for an amateur to make deadly chemicals using only home supplies", and despite that effort they still had legal trouble in Italy because the output was unsuitable for minors (as well as the GDPR issues that were the primary headline at the time).

And a lot of researchers with no financial incentives saying "yup, there's danger in these AI".

The reaction here?

Disbelief OpenAI might be saying what they mean, and meaning what they say.

And people parroting "moat!" as if none of the other FAANGs could trivially cross any regulatory barriers that emerge.

It's like the entire topic of AI has been politicised harder than "is nuclear power green?"

Re: GPT-4 details leaked?

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Post by BelleOfTheBall »

ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #115
carabiner wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We must destroy OpenAI!

From the post: [Rumors that start to become lawsuits] Some speculations are: - LibGen (4M+ books) - Sci-Hub (80M+ papers) - All of GitHub This is the most funny, but in the end sad aspect. If ChatGPT was indeed trained on pirated content and is able to be(come) such a powerful tool, then the copyright laws should have been abolished yesterday. If ChatGPT was not trained on all these resources out there, then think ho…

That is a very dangerous way to approach copyright laws. They are definitely abused by corporations like Disney, infamously so, but abolishing them is absolutely not the answer. Art makers are already struggling en masse, taking away their ability to earn money off their work isn't an answer, especially if it's just to train a predictive text generator.

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Post by errantmind »

mmahemoff wrote: post #96

I've been wondering how freemium services like Thread Reader still operate now that Twitter is charging prohibitive prices for API access and taking measures to prevent scraping. The cheapest API plan with read access is $100/month, which reads 10,000 tweets, so could only produce about 500 pages like this one on demand.

There was a post on HN recently with a workaround these apps are using. I don't have it handy but I'm sure you can find it if you look.
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