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Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by abenga »

robertlagrant wrote: post #193
nerdponx wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how you conveniently left out that you're using a retina display until maybe your fifth post complaining about this. It's possible that none of the developers can afford to buy a $2000 laptop for testing. If the icons are obviously fuzzy on your machine, grab a screenshot, post a bug on the bug tracker, and let it be. I assume also that you are already a substantial monthly donor. If not, then I think all this…

The marketing site says this: > Our new designs remain sharp and pixel-perfect at any density setting. Why are you having a go at someone who's just saying that the icons are fuzzy? If it's true it's true.

If it's true, that's a bug. File it, don't just complain online as if you are being let down by a paid tool.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

LoganDark wrote: post #239
danpalmer wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not going to write feedback because I'm not a user looking for it to be solved. My original comment is critiquing the process that has lead to them shipping software that doesn't meet modern standards – something entirely within the remit of Hacker News discussion. My "retina" display is actually a 4k monitor, a very commonplace and cheap piece of hardware, maybe even the norm nowadays for software engineers.

Not sure about the criticism of marketing screenshots but I also have a 4K monitor, they're absolutely indispensable for staring at code all day and cost less than $100.

Good ones are around $400, really . A 4K for $100 would be like a 40 inch screen with a horrible PPI.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by PopAlongKid »

jraph wrote: post #9

This looks good! It has not reached my distribution yet, I hope this refreshed UI will be more convenient than the current one (which has done its job for the past 20 years but has some quirks like not having a straightforward way to follow a mail thread to my knowledge - well, it has but all the mails need to be in the same folder but sent mails are in the sent folder and received mails are in the received messages…

> all the mails need to be in the same folder but sent mails are in the sent folder and received mails are in the received messages folder)

There is a simple setting somewhere that allows you to have all sent emails be saved in the Inbox. Right now I'm not where I can look up the exact setting for this, but I'm sure you can find it without looking too long. I've been using it this way forever, all my threads are complete and easy to follow.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by PopAlongKid »

orra wrote: post #150
elric wrote: post #89

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I guess I'll be that dismissive current user. I don't like random UI changes in a tool I use as frequently as a mail client. The new icons don't look too bad, even if I dislike their flat nature. I don't think TB looks dated. It looks functional. Which is exactly what I want from a mail client. If I want something that looks modern but is dysfunctional, I'll just switch to Outlook.

I obviously don't begrudge the fact Thunderbird currently works for you. But there are a few issues with the current UI: * Dark mode didn't exist for a long time, and I'm glad it does, but messages are still displayed brightly. * The list of emails always has a columns and a header; there's no simplified vertical view. * There's a threading view, but IIRC it doesn't combine sent and received messages into the same th…

>it doesn't combine sent and received messages into the same thread view.

As I posted above, there is a setting for saving sent emails in the inbox along with received messages, so that threads are complete.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by xattt »

rudasn wrote: post #225
robertlagrant wrote: post #187

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Pro tip: don't lead with "I can't believe how janky this still looks after a UI overhaul."

So, image you're the new hire and you are welcomed to this massive code base with thousands of files, each thousands of lines long, without some clear separation of concerns or "basic modern best practices". And the first thing you do, is tell everyone how shit their code looks. The same code that pays for yours and everyone else's paychecks. What do you think is going to happen?

Most users don’t have the time to gain entrée into a developer community.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by Keegs »

andix wrote: post #162
joiqj wrote: post #8

I appreciate that they have maintained information density. otoh I think they should try and stick as much as possible to the looks of the OS where thunderbird is running - you are building a desktop application, not a website. Of course it's pretty hard when not even microsoft seems to know what Windows should look like.

Information density can be very overwhelming and a factor for stress. Often a lower density is totally enough and less stressful to use. Providing an optional "compact mode" for people with smaller screens or who prefer denser layouts would be my way to go.

I’m interested to know where this idea comes from. Is there a good reference you recommend? My anecdotal experience has been that low density websites like Medium are more stressful than higher density websites like Substack/HN because I have to do more work to read the text on the page.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by return_to_monke »

nik736 wrote: post #16

What happened to the look that was announced? [0] The announcement was way more modern than the screenshot that is shown now. [0]: https://developer.thunderbird.net/planning/roadmap

the mock-up has very little information density. I think that would've pissed off a lot of folks, so they reverted it.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by LoganDark »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #242
LoganDark wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about the criticism of marketing screenshots but I also have a 4K monitor, they're absolutely indispensable for staring at code all day and cost less than $100.

Good ones are around $400, really . A 4K for $100 would be like a 40 inch screen with a horrible PPI.

> A 4K for $100 would be like a 40 inch screen with a horrible PPI.

My 4K monitor was $70 and is 15 inches so, not sure where you got that figure from.

(You're right that $400 is better though, that would get me a touchscreen OLED. Unfortunately I don't have that much money yet~)

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by ohuf »

diarrhea wrote: post #57

Putting the search bar front-and-center in both the application and this announcement, I hope the backend implementation is now able to keep up? The one use case I switch to my mail provider's webmail UI for is search. I mentally sigh a little bit each time I realise I have to search through my email. Thunderbird's search has been among the worst I have ever come across, sadly. Functional search would be a killer fea…

The only issue I have with TB search is the setting for the results presentation: why is there not a preferences option to set if the results show as list or in the current default 'verbose' view?

switching to list view manually seems so inefficient

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by Macha »

smarkov wrote: post #186
donatj wrote: post #50

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Being able to quickly scan a large list of emails without scrolling is practical and useful. All whitespace achieves is aesthetics, which are meaningless beyond initial adoption. My work email rarely exist in a vacuum, they exist in the context of all my other work emails. The ability to actually cross reference and get work done quickly should always trump aesthetics. These modern “spaced out” UIs are infuriating, t…

> Being able to quickly scan a large list of emails without scrolling is practical and useful. Conversely, why is scrolling considered evil? We can agree that emails are documents. In real life, on your desk, do spread out all your documents so you could see them all at once? Or do you have a stack of them and view them one by one? You can still cross reference by putting documents side by side, just like you can wit…

> Conversely, why is scrolling considered evil? We can agree that emails are documents. In real life, on your desk, do spread out all your documents so you could see them all at once? Or do you have a stack of them and view them one by one? You can still cross reference by putting documents side by side, just like you can with multiple emails open in separate windows or monitors.

Do you inspect your store's inventory by having one page per SKU or do you get a listing with each SKU summarised into its title?

I think the distinction here is really that some people (myself included) deal with so much email, that they need tools to deal with it in bulk, and others in this thread apparently do not. Maybe they're dealing with emails one by one as they come in, maybe they just don't get that much email.

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