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Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by dermesser »

diarrhea wrote: post #57

Putting the search bar front-and-center in both the application and this announcement, I hope the backend implementation is now able to keep up? The one use case I switch to my mail provider's webmail UI for is search. I mentally sigh a little bit each time I realise I have to search through my email. Thunderbird's search has been among the worst I have ever come across, sadly. Functional search would be a killer fea…

Not to detract from Thunderbird's deserved attention, but I've been using Evolution for many years, and search is delightfully instantaneous.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by jokoon »

I guess the only real purpose of a raspberry pi would be to turn it into an light email server, but even a raspberry pi zero is too much powerful for my taste. I'm still not willing to pay to host my emails, and I don't have anything sensitive enough that warrants something else than gmail, even if I really want to.

Also I really wish there were more ways to allow me to "trust" certain domains and to filter mail manually, on top of the usual spam filters. Gmail filters are nice but their UX could be better.

Also there should be ways to give my email address in a way that is automatically trusted. For example, some optional passcode in my email address would look like:

john.WORK9643@domain.thing

john.GIRAFFEBANANA@domain.thing

This already exists but is not mainstream.

The email protocol could also have a "friend request" feature to "ask the email client" to whitelist a domain. That way, no email would land in the inbox unless it's from a domain the user approved. Those "trust request" would discourage spammers or websites you give your address to you unsolicited emails.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by planede »

I like the new look, and even though it doesn't look as compact as the old layout, it might actually work better on a small screen.

While the old list looks more compact vertically, it really doesn't use horizontal space well. It also wastes a lot of space for the message header, eating away precious space from the email content. Hopefully the message header can be configured to scroll with the whole email content in the preview.

The old list really doesn't work with a vertically split preview on a small screen, but the new card list looks perfectly viable for that.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by rudasn »

robertlagrant wrote: post #187
danpalmer wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience most communities like this are quite unreceptive to feedback – both in hoops you have to jump through to give it, and in terms of attitude from maintainers. I haven't engaged with the Thunderbird feedback process so this may be unfair to them, but it's a broad perception I have and so I think organisations that do want the feedback or do want first-time contributors need to push hard to make that hap…

Pro tip: don't lead with "I can't believe how janky this still looks after a UI overhaul."

So, image you're the new hire and you are welcomed to this massive code base with thousands of files, each thousands of lines long, without some clear separation of concerns or "basic modern best practices".

And the first thing you do, is tell everyone how shit their code looks. The same code that pays for yours and everyone else's paychecks.

What do you think is going to happen?

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by jeffhuys »

nerdponx wrote: post #122
danpalmer wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if the team are shipping it in this state then either: they don't have the ability to notice the issues on the core team, or they see the issues and ship it anyway. Feedback like this is unlikely to solve either of those cases. This isn't complex stuff either. I'm not a designer, I don't even do frontend/UI work, I'm basically just a backend engineer. If I'm spotting this stuff on first glance at the main mar…

You might have a particularly good eye. I saw none of these problems in the marketing screenshot. I only see one ... icon in the entire screenshot, nothing is fuzzy, and all text looks aligned. The only weirdness is a misalignment between the sidebar header and the main window header, but those don't need to be aligned anyway.

Look at the "+ New message"

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by jwells89 »

seanalltogether wrote: post #125
pshirshov wrote: post #23

> unified folders Actually that's the worst anti-feature for an email client.

The only reason I haven't moved off Thunderbird for mac mail is because mac mail enforces a unified inbox.

Mail.app offers a unified inbox yes, but it also lets one view inboxes per-account. Just click the disclosure arrow next to the inbox in the sidebar, which displays each account’s inbox of individual viewing.

Mail folders are all shown under sections dedicated to each account in the sidebar.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by jeffhuys »

globular-toast wrote: post #202
danpalmer wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If software doesn't appear "trustworthy" people won't use it, particularly if it's holding sensitive personal data such as email. The worst UX is people never using the software. Design plays a big part in how people perceive trustworthiness. It implies effort and understanding. The reason people spot fake products on AliExpress is not because they're intimately familiar with the legit versions, but because typically…

And we really want to reinforce this stupid belief that good looking things are trustworthy?

Sure, this one piece of software that doesn't want to look perfect will change the game!

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by PurpleRamen »

Has Thunderbird still proper support for local mailboxes? I recently tried this, and all I found was local folders in maildir or mbox-format. But this won't recognize new mails added to them, making it useless for this demand. Did I miss something, or was this really removed at some point?

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by flas9sd »

orra wrote: post #150
elric wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I'll be that dismissive current user. I don't like random UI changes in a tool I use as frequently as a mail client. The new icons don't look too bad, even if I dislike their flat nature. I don't think TB looks dated. It looks functional. Which is exactly what I want from a mail client. If I want something that looks modern but is dysfunctional, I'll just switch to Outlook.

I obviously don't begrudge the fact Thunderbird currently works for you. But there are a few issues with the current UI: * Dark mode didn't exist for a long time, and I'm glad it does, but messages are still displayed brightly. * The list of emails always has a columns and a header; there's no simplified vertical view. * There's a threading view, but IIRC it doesn't combine sent and received messages into the same th…

just gave it a test, the design additions are introduced gently. Defaults for listings are on the familiar view. Menu quick actions exist to go from compact to normal to more padding.

I had the 2-line message header view on my wishlist for a long time. Thunderbird did pretty great.

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