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Uber, DoorDash Sue NYC to Stop Delivery Drivers from Getting a Minimum Wage
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Re: Uber, DoorDash Sue NYC to Stop Delivery Drivers from Getting a Minimum Wage
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I can see how a delivery can take, on average, one hour In New York? > will essentially kill these platforms It will curtail them. They will need to trim their driver network, which will reduce the number of drivers and increase delivery times. Restaurants and consumers outside high-density areas no longer make sense to cater to. Dropping restaurants who don’t meet minimums will also, likely, be necessary. In summa…
I can see it working in New York City (and closer denser areas) but these platforms operate in the broader US and other markets (which can have now laws influenced by the US).
Adopted nationally, this would absolutely kill the platforms as well as a number of restaurants. This law is particular to New York, whose density both makes it work and raises living costs.
Re: Uber, DoorDash Sue NYC to Stop Delivery Drivers from Getting a Minimum Wage
#23Presumably they would also have the right to CAP earnings at minimum wage. If you manage 10 deliveries/rides in 1h, and previously that was worth 100USD, you now get 7.25 (or 1425 for NY State, or 15 for NYC?)? And obviously Uber can require you to accept jobs.
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#24Minimum wage wont help them out of poverty. It will just increase prices and they will still be price out. But now, you will have a group of ex-worker who not getting jobs because being price out also. Sounds great but implementaton is bad. It is better to subsidize these workers with skillset to find alternative and better jobs (yes something like learn to code mentality but more like German type of apprenticeship learn skill other than coding....e.g. plumbing). Singapore and Malaysia is a good example where min wage not practice in SG but in Malaysia. And yet SG wage keep on raising simply due to capitalism fighting for a limited labor resources and not artificially jack up the price of labor to make politician look like genius solving economic problem beyond their expertise.
Re: Uber, DoorDash Sue NYC to Stop Delivery Drivers from Getting a Minimum Wage
#25This will essentially kill these platforms. I don't have the data but I can see how a delivery can take, on average, one hour. Between waiting for an order to arrive, accepting it, going to the food place, taking it to the destination, delivering it, etc... $17 + fees + tips? => $20+ delivery fee. Unless you are delivering for a well-off family of 5, it makes no sense.
Yep. Now do the math on living in NYC with a car payment making $7/h.
The alternative is restaurants hiring delivery drivers with reasonable ranges. There are a few of these in my area and I greatly prefer them. The food arrives on time and hot, every time.
Re: Uber, DoorDash Sue NYC to Stop Delivery Drivers from Getting a Minimum Wage
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, what does apple have to do with this conversation?
> what does apple have to do with this conversation? It also sued the government. My point is “suing the government is not a sign of strength” or weakness. It’s a non-signal. I think DoorDash is wrong here, though they have a kernel of a point in why grocery delivery is not covered by the rule. But their suing the government says nothing about their strength or weakness.
Yea but Apple didnt sue the government because of some issues affecting the profitability of their main business model. This comparison makes no sense.
Companies that have made similar moves are Uber, Airbnb for example, but not Apple.
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#27Related discussions during the last month: - NYC food delivery gig workers score a big minimum wage victory (96 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36327770 - DoorDash, Grubhub and Uber sue New York City over minimum wage law (59 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36626525 - New York City Sets New Minimum Wage for Food Delivery Workers (7 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=363021…
I thought this looked familiar, thanks.
Re: Uber, DoorDash Sue NYC to Stop Delivery Drivers from Getting a Minimum Wage
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
> what does apple have to do with this conversation? It also sued the government. My point is “suing the government is not a sign of strength” or weakness. It’s a non-signal. I think DoorDash is wrong here, though they have a kernel of a point in why grocery delivery is not covered by the rule. But their suing the government says nothing about their strength or weakness.
Yea but Apple didnt sue the government because of some issues affecting the profitability of their main business model. This comparison makes no sense. Companies that have made similar moves are Uber, Airbnb for example, but not Apple.
> but Apple didnt sue the government because of some issues affecting the profitability of their main business model
Fine, Disney. Or hell, Oracle [1] and Boeing [2]. Is there a serious view that someone suing the government always does so out of desperation?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Enterprise_Defense_Infra...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Bo...
Re: Uber, DoorDash Sue NYC to Stop Delivery Drivers from Getting a Minimum Wage
#29This will essentially kill these platforms. I don't have the data but I can see how a delivery can take, on average, one hour. Between waiting for an order to arrive, accepting it, going to the food place, taking it to the destination, delivering it, etc... $17 + fees + tips? => $20+ delivery fee. Unless you are delivering for a well-off family of 5, it makes no sense.
We had ubiquitous fast and free local restaurant delivery in NYC for decades before these apps showed up. Before cell phones even.
Every hallway had a pile of menus. It’s not really better now and killing these apps wouldn’t make it worse.
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#30What a crap business model these companies have if they rely on haggling over legal loopholes to operate. The business case, at best, is the status quo remains with material threats to their operations if these laws change. This is a lose-lose for everyone. Ignore the morality arguments, why risk your money on something with almost zero upside and all this downside? Suing the government is not a sign of strength
> What a crap business model these companies have if they rely on haggling over legal loopholes to operate.
They will be fine. It's the consumers and delivery drivers who will mostly pay for it.