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Re: Mechanical Turk workers are using AI to automate being human

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It's surreal that even when it comes to AI we still fundamentally rely on underpaid labor.

We do that with natural intelligence too: in most countries teachers are underpaid.

counterpoint: ppl in important (social value) positions have to be underpaid to guard against the ones that are just in it for the money.

Re: Mechanical Turk workers are using AI to automate being human

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post #119

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We do that with natural intelligence too: in most countries teachers are underpaid.

counterpoint: ppl in important (social value) positions have to be underpaid to guard against the ones that are just in it for the money.

That's ridiculous. Everybody is in it for the money. Employers choose how to measure performance, so if there is some particular attribute they want, they make it clear and hire (and raise pay) based on that.

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It's not underpaid. The people are willing to work for that money.

Apparently they are not paid enough to deter them from cheating.

You don't think (some) millionaires or billionaires cheat?

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It's not underpaid. The people are willing to work for that money.

By this logic nobody can ever be underpaid lol

Anybody who is working willingly and is aware of the job market rates.

Re: Mechanical Turk workers are using AI to automate being human

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counterpoint: ppl in important (social value) positions have to be underpaid to guard against the ones that are just in it for the money.

That's ridiculous. Everybody is in it for the money. Employers choose how to measure performance, so if there is some particular attribute they want, they make it clear and hire (and raise pay) based on that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

Re: Mechanical Turk workers are using AI to automate being human

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> Only until the bar stops existing. At which point you are STILL not responsible for any liability. For example if the bar gets sued, you don't lose your home, car, etc... And in most countries, would receive unemployment that was at least partially paid for by the business in advance. Notice again though - just like the gold mine - without the infrastructure you can't extract any value at all from your ability to p…

> you are STILL not responsible for any liability [...] you don't lose your home, car, etc Uh, you lose your car and home when you can't pay for it due to the bar stopping existing. So you are liable in the sense that your entire income disappears due to this event. It takes a certain kind of boneheadedness to not see this. > without the infrastructure you can't extract any value at all I'm not sure what your point h…

You may be unable to pay bills - except as I mentioned, you'll have unemployment - but that's not NEARLY the same thing as being sued and having to sell your home because your business failed on top of not having any income.

It's always painfully obvious when someone has never had to run even the microist of businesses.

They literally can't perceive the idea that most business owners are taking a huge risk and putting in far more hours and effort than their employees who are free to just walk away any time a better offer comes along.

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> you are STILL not responsible for any liability [...] you don't lose your home, car, etc Uh, you lose your car and home when you can't pay for it due to the bar stopping existing. So you are liable in the sense that your entire income disappears due to this event. It takes a certain kind of boneheadedness to not see this. > without the infrastructure you can't extract any value at all I'm not sure what your point h…

You may be unable to pay bills - except as I mentioned, you'll have unemployment - but that's not NEARLY the same thing as being sued and having to sell your home because your business failed on top of not having any income. It's always painfully obvious when someone has never had to run even the microist of businesses. They literally can't perceive the idea that most business owners are taking a huge risk and puttin…

> It's always kinda obvious who has and hasn't actually had to put personal risk in a business

If you're doing it right, you don't do that. That's why corporations exist, to separate personal and business assets. If your corporate veil gets pierced, that's because you don't know what you're doing.

> far more hours

I mean, if you've ever been at a startup it should be patently obvious that the owners (the board) are not working anywhere nearly as much as people in the office who stay late and many times sleep there.

> free to just walk away any time a better offer comes along

You're absolutely able to do this as a business owner. Businesses get sold and liquidated all the time.

Re: Mechanical Turk workers are using AI to automate being human

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We do that with natural intelligence too: in most countries teachers are underpaid.

counterpoint: ppl in important (social value) positions have to be underpaid to guard against the ones that are just in it for the money.

CEO pay has been increasing far faster than wages for their employees since the 1970s and they're "underpaid"?
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