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Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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You’re so right! It was an absolute disaster for us. Never do it!!!!! Kidding aside, it is true that raising money from VCs puts you on a very defined path with really only three potential outcomes: 1) failure, 2) sell to acquirer, or 3) go public. There are a small handful of exceptions, mostly for companies that throw off massive amounts of cash, but, realistically, those are the outcomes. If you don’t like any of…

It would be great to read in which exact ways did money from VCs help your company to reach the current state?

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#362
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Most startups don't raise multiple rounds in the same year.

I don't think that matters? (An extreme example to prime your intuition: imagine that there are one IPO and 10 VC deals annually. If every startup raises money annually and there are 10 startups at any one time, then every funded startup eventually IPOs.)

I misread your comment.

Ignore mine.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#363

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A sincere thanks for sharing your experience and insights. Curiosity and a flexible mindset with a fast learning rate and a willingness to challenge even closely held assumptions can result in innovative knowledge under any context, including a vc investment one. But curiosity is not limitless. It is a function of time. And it would be disingenuous to completely refute the fact that a vc frame of reference will affec…

We give domain registration away at cost. The only reason that makes sense for us is if some of the people who register use our services. Key to using our services is using our name servers. So someone who uses our registrar but not our name servers is a complete loss to us — we literally lose money on the payment processing and anticipated support fees. There are lots of other registrars and we make it easy to trans…

The mission of Cloudflare is to build a better internet. In what ways does blocking nameserver changes help build a better internet?

It actually builds a worse internet. One that is closed to the exchange of information and services. One in which Cloudflare, an entity that allegedly helps build a better internet, would not even exist.

You know full well, that if all domain registrars had prevented nameserver changes to Cloudflare, that Cloudflare would not exist. In this context, you could forgive a skeptic for suggesting that "building a better internet" is just empty corporate speak.

Let's now consider the business case for domain registration. You mention that it is at cost as far as ICANN fees and registry fees are concerned. But you incur payment processing fees and customer support fees that would place an undue business burden that would generate a loss.

For payment processing fees, let's assume one to two percent. Cloudflare domain registration for the dot com registry including ICANN fee currently stands at $9.15.

One percent is $0.0915 or let's just say a dime. Two percent is $0.183 or let's just say a quarter. Registrants would surely not mind paying an extra dime or quarter to cover payment processing costs. Heck, you could just round it up to an even $10.

If your intention is indeed lead generation for your other services, it would actually make even more business sense to have this slightly higher price as a lead qualifier. Do you think a potential customer that is price sensitive for a few cents on domain registration is likely to purchase your other services?

As for customer support, if the user changes the nameservers to another provider, by definition, that user will have to get support for dns records and all other issues from that provider. In other words, there would not be much custom to support.

So, if payment processing and customer support are your key arguments against blocking nameserver changes, respectfully, they are tangential and inconsequential. If there are some more relevant and consequential arguments for blocking nameserver changes, out of curiosity, please share those with us. Thanks.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#364

On the other hand, my first self-funded startup got destroyed by a VC funded venture. They had a worse product but far better marketing and they used every dirty trick in book to tarnish my company’s reputation. There is no way I’ll start another startup unless I receive backing from a huge VC company. Current economic paradigm is more similar to centralised/controlled economies of USSR. Thus if you want to succeed,…

Can you share the story?

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#365
VC-funded companies are unprofitable by design. You build something very novel and then you spend a lot of time figuring out how it should work and growing it. Amazon, Google, Microsoft – all raised venture funding because that's what they were doing.

Still, many of those companies try to become cashflow positive (especially right now). Which means they earn more than they spent, but they invest a lot in their expansion (and as soon as they stop it they could show instant profit).

Ultimately, a very small share of companies ever raise VC funding.

It's completely OK to bootstrap your project, focus on the revenue and profitability from day one. But it's also difficult, especially you're building some kind of a SaaS product in a competitive space. Not everyone can be Basecamp (which started a long time ago and built an enormous marketing operation to get "free" leads).

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#366
I so much agree with this article! I always had the same thinking about investment, Mostly the part where you don't control your company (or control it way less).

And I would have kept it the same until we discussed with my co-founder about https://getfernand.com

The reason that makes us consider VC funding would be for the network and the exposure.

It would help us get in touch with other (big) founders with a broad reach and help us grow more. That would be a legitimate reason for us to get a (small) round.

(We are already profitable so we don't need the money for the money. But we need to find a VC firm that is not too manipulative in its investments. That might be the tricker part).

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#367

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If it was 100/1, no VC would stay afloat, right? The math here isn't that hard to work out; it tracks the portfolio logic of the funds themselves.

It is my understanding that VCs only stay afloat because the payoff in case of success is huge enough to offset many failures. And I guess many VCs also don't stay afloat forever.

This is correct. For small and medium funds, a single successful portfolio company can return their entire fund with some multiple on top of this. The reason you invest in 30-40 companies instead of one is because you don't know which one it'll be.

I've seen this from the inside, I liked the company a lot but I'd never suspect it'd become the most obvious success for us.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#368

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Indeed! And an honorable failure — where you learned a ton, tried your best to succeed, but it just didn’t work — is a terrific outcome. We acquihire “failed” startups quite regularly. The founders of those companies have often turned into some of our best senior engineering and product leaders. And some of them go on to then leave after learning from us to give a startup a go again. Success or failure aren’t the bad…

Firstly, fan of your company. Isn't what you described as The Slog essentially just SMEs? That's not so bad. Perpetual meteoric growth for everyone is not healthy on a macro level. Couple of friends of mine are in what you describe as the worst outcome, yet they can buy houses and put their kids through schools (outside the US). There's a middle layer of B2B that props up the economy in a more fragmented manner, and…

It could be a pretty good SME for the founders, but there are a few possible issues. 1. You have investors who expect returns and don't want (or can't have) dividends. 2. You have employees with stock options that want them to become something. 3. Your company could be set up as a C-Corp, if your intention is to have a stable business and earn dividends you'd rather have it as an LLC with founders as members.

Basically, issues happen when you take VC money but don't end up going the growth startup path. Buffer had the same problem, but they managed to earn enough money to buy their investors out.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

#369
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There is an option #4 that I’ve been around a few times: build a shark that is doing the acquiring within 5 years. Superior tech, maybe hyper efficient, hyper profitable.

You still eventually need to return money to your private market investors at some point. So that just pushes the outcomes out later. Or, again, in the super rare case that you’re generating so much case that you can pay investors back at a rate of return they’re happy with with dividended cash flows.

A lot of VC funds wouldn't accept your dividends because this type of income might create additional taxation and reporting obligations for them.
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