Live data from Hacker News

Why an 'iPod killer' will never kill the iPod

37signals.com

21–23 of 23 posts

Re: Why an 'iPod killer' will never kill the iPod

#21

They have a good point, but seriously beating iTunes isn't exactly hard. QuickTime has been the most pain in the ass media player on the PC for a long time, it was even worse than Real for a long time. I mean Real is full of crap that slows down your computer, but QuickTime used to be outright slow. Apple has certainly improved, but I don't see iTunes as much more than a well written library program with an MP3 playe…

This is one of the most ill-informed, arrogant, and naive things I have read on here in a while. That it was modded up boggles the mind.

Let me just pick off one statement, since I don't have hours..

'If I had the money I could easily build and design a better, sleeker MP3 player than Apple'.

Wow. Amazing that the market has misjudged your value to such a high degree. What is a fellow like yourself doing wasting his time saying 'I could' on HN, when you could be fending off starry-eyed investors held in thrall by your unblemished track record for leading the development of jewel-like portable electronics?

Sarcasm aside, have you ever designed a consumer electronics device? I doubt it.

But perhaps I've misjudged. Feel free to prove me wrong with:

Detailed renderings of your design. And by design, I don't mean an Apple fanboy rumor mockup - it should be something than can be manufactured in a price-competitive way.

A UI design that works better than the iPod.

Your design for an iTunes equivalent.

Schematic for the embedded electronics, providing better battery life in a small package. Provide plots for battery characterization (charging, discharging) for your prototype.

The user input device should be more intuitive than Apples', and not infringe on existing patents.

Demonstrable ability to hire, build and manage a team that can engineer the above.

Build the back end for the music distribution service. Make sure it scales to the zillions of users you'll surely attract.

Negotiate good pricing with various labels.

Build a payment system for music.

Select and manage contract manufacturing, negotiate the contracts, and keep breathing down their necks.

Predict demand and order accordingly. Make sure to corner the market on FLASH chips so that you wield a price advantage.

Last, but certainly not even close to least, market it.

I've probably missed a bunch of stuff (shock testing for one).

Perhaps you'll respond with: 'I was just talking about the device itself, not all that other stuff'. To which I would say, the 'other stuff' is just as important as the device. Unless you define market success as having a single prototype of a shiny piece of hardware that no one wants.

Even that takes a lot of skill, talent and hard work.

Re: Why an 'iPod killer' will never kill the iPod

#22
post #18

>If you’re going to be an iPod killer — and not just a great new music player — you have to first out-Apple Apple at all the things that makes the iPod special. That means superior industrial design, an iTMS-beating catalogue of content, and a better desktop experience than iTunes. My understanding is Apple makes $100 dollars' margin on every Ipod. You could gain some market share in the mp3-player space by undercutt…

But if you try to undercut Apple, and they're making a ridiculous margin, then if you've actually got a good player worth buying they can just drop prices. Look at the iPhone situation. They killed nearly all their competition with the price drop. Nobody can touch it right now.

I'd like to split a hair: if you make them drop their prices, you'll hurt their margins and possibly their revenue, depending on the elasticity of the product. I'm not sure you'd win out in the end, but strictly speaking, you would be undercutting Apple.

Re: Why an 'iPod killer' will never kill the iPod

#23
post #19
post #13

It seems to me that the company most well-positioned to create a successor to the iPod (other than Apple), is Amazon. A mini-Kindle with audio and video - and downloads everywhere 3G reaches could be a smash hit.

You know, you've got a good point! The Kindle is an excellent product: Amazon's proven that they have a good design team. The only problem is that its screen can't support video, ever. (It already has an MP3 player built in.) It would be lower on the market, but Amazon is actually in a prime position to be making hardware. Don't know how much they'd make by entering competitive territory, though. I don't know if it w…

Actually, e-ink is now up to at least some video. See: http://earthfirst.com/a-look-at-the-paperless-newspapers-of-...
Post reply on HN