Sarah Silverman is suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 2:29 AM UTC

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This isn't completely new, similar issues came up with search engines and this may be seen as 'transformative'. But there may be issues with models that happily reproduce copyrighted texts in their entirety along with other novel issues like models that hallucinate defamatory things or other such problems. Still, I doubt this particular genie can be stuffed back into the bottle, so we'll probably see a lot of litigat…

I agree it's not an entirely new issue. But it's a little different from search results. Say I use the generative paint brush in photoshop. It reproduces a portion of the copyrighted work. I then use the image on an advertising campaign, other merchandise, or post the final product as my own work. Would I be responsible? Would Adobe? Given that retraining these models is not simple, or cheap, would this be just 'cost…

Post by thrixton » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 2:32 AM UTC

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Let's take a second to remember that copyright is the reason ~every child doesn't have access to ~every book ever written. While it might be too disruptive to eliminate copyright overnight, we should remember that our world will be much better and improve much faster to the extent we can reduce copyright's impact. And we should cheer it on when it happens. A majority of the world's population in 2023 has a smartphone…

It would look largely identical to ours, I think. It's pretty trivial to get access to many, if not most, e-books. Any public-domain work is available on Project Gutenberg [0]. Copyrighted works can be accessed for free using tools of various legality: Libby [1] is likely sponsored by your local library and gives free access to e-books and audiobooks. Library Genesis [2] has a questionable legal status but has a huge…

Post by DowsingSpoon » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 2:34 AM UTC

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>you can train an AI on copyrighted material just like people can learn from copyrighted material. No amount of whining and hand wringing from engineers will ever make this true. This is for the courts to decide. A reasonable interpretation, in my eyes, is that the training process is a black box which takes in copyrighted works and produces a training model. The training model is a derivative work of the inputs. It…

Derivative works are typically things like language translations or film adaptions of a novel. A large language model is something like a probability breakdown of the order of word fragments in a body of text. It's a collection of statistics and math. It's different. Now, can you get it to output a derivative work? Maybe. Is every output a derivative work? Maybe not.

Post by yencabulator » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 2:34 AM UTC

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> What if it turns out that OpenAI bought a copy of every book ingested be ChatGPT? That still doesn't necessarily confer to them the right to use it to train a model and generate derivative works based on purchased content.

What if that turns out to be completely irrelevant? Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I knew absolutely nothing about contract law and was then filmed stealing a book you wrote on the subject from a book store. I then started a business where I would answer questions about contract law, based solely on what I learned from the book. Of course, my memory isn't perfect, but I don't like to admit when I'm wrong,…

Post by WillAdams » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 2:46 AM UTC

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There are already many more public domain books than people are inclined to read: https://www.gutenberg.org/ https://librivox.org/ many of which form the basis for an education: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34630153 And most of which, when in copyright, paid their authors quite handsomely in terms of royalties. If you believe that books should exist without copyright, then one has to ask --- how many books ha…

>If you believe that books should exist without copyright, then one has to ask --- how many books have you written which you have explicitly placed in the public domain? Or, how many authors have you patronized so as to fund their writing so that they can publish their works freely? Lol Edit: I should probably clarify here. While I can’t speak for OP, I can say that, for some reason, I am sure there are people who ha…