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Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by Gigachad »

user_named wrote: post #163
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #153

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They absolutely did. Smartwatches were mostly seen as tacky before the Apple Watch. That’s part of why they chose a different form factor and partnered with luxury brands for bracelet. For Apple to make wearing them seems normal was not a given at all.

Absolutely did not. Only thing they needed to convince people of is accepting less than a days worth of battery life.

The Pebble was absolutely seen as tacky. Only worn by people who cared more about tech than visuals.

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Post by Gigachad »

throw47474777j wrote: post #29
gibbitz wrote: post #24

Even if they came to my house to fit me with it I wouldn't buy it. What problem is it solving for someone other than Apple? We've been seeing this AR pipe-dream for 10+ years and it hasn't caught on. Not because the technology was bad, but because people just don't want it. What Apple is missing here is that people wanted the iPhone (a phone with an iPod built in) for years before it was even officially announced as…

> Not because the technology was bad, but because people just don't want it. It’s hard to see how anyone who has been following the technology could make this claim.

HN users are generally pretty good at predicting the exact opposite of the future. Every obviously good product like Dropbox is claimed to be useless while every obviously crap product like Mastodon or the Librem phone is hyped up as the future.

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Post by madeofpalk »

BoppreH wrote: post #175

I'm very confused by Apple's strategy. As an owner of the original HTC Vive headset, its word-of-mouth power was off the charts. It was a blast at parties, and many of my friends bought their own $700+ devices after trying it. Here's what won them over: - Being able to try it themselves with little preparation ("put this on your head, tighten it here, and click these buttons on the controller"). You could even use it…

I don't think they expect to sell many of these. I don't think this is some hype campaign, I think they just think/know the market for this is very limited.

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Post by lotsoweiners »

beanjuice wrote: post #140
JKCalhoun wrote: post #81

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I agree with you. I may be an old man, but what I want is the opposite of immersive technology. Put a computer on my face? Are you kidding? The one in my pocket already feels increasingly parasitic.

In a converse way, what could be more freeing to our living spaces than confining our access to technology to such a secluded and particular space?

What is this freeing though for a lot of people? Maybe if you’re single and live in a tiny apartment then you wouldn’t have to dedicate a wall to a tv but then again you could already be watching on a tablet/laptop. As a married person with 2 children this would solve nothing. We still need tv to watch, play PlayStation etc as a family and as my wife and I wfh we are still required to use our work issued Windows PCs.

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Post by User23 »

I wonder if it will be possible to create a Vision Cafe, kind of like how arcades used to have networked battletech pods for a kind of proto VR experience.

I don’t feel the need to elaborate much, but it could be an interesting offering for a shared workspace rental business too.

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Post by throwaway2990 »

kkielhofner wrote: post #236
hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

Was this your first Apple Watch? When I last went to an Apple Store to get a new one (while wearing my current Apple Watch) I just said “I know what I want and what I’m doing”. They handed me the box on the spot in the middle of the store and I paid with the mobile PoS terminal they carry. I was in and out in less than five minutes and this was at their very busy Chicago Michigan Avenue store. Maybe they’re that effi…

I’ve bought a few items in store. An iPad. Went in told them what I wanted. They went got it. Came out and asked if I want to know anything else about it or need help. Said no. Asked if I wanted apple care. I said yes. They added it to the cart. Gave me a 30s overview of what I can do with apple care. Paid. Left.

If you let the people in the store talk they will talk and try upset. Just politely say no.

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Post by nomel »

hyperthesis wrote: post #365
nomel wrote: post #295

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It didn’t work because the pixels per degree isn’t enough, even with the Quest Pro, to show clear text. I still use it for coding, but it’s very far from ideal.

Apple claim text is crisp with VP. They also claim the resolution is similar to retina - but their stated pixel count and my guesstimates of usage distance suggest it's about half (in each dimension, so a quarter for area). If they've got it crisp, how big a deal do feel that would be? For yourself, and for others who've been interested?

I've showed several "professional computer users", who sit behind nice monitors all day, my Quest Pro virtual screen setup. They've all said it's too blurry/font is too large/not enough screen space (which are all the same, from lack of PPD).

So, the Quest Pro is unusable to them, due to PPD. If the Vision Pro is actually retina, then that's good, but I don't think that's the only reason they wouldn't want to use it. I think comfort/bulk is a huge concern, especially since it appears to use the flesh of your face to support the weight, rather than a top strap. My Quest Pro is unusable without a top strop, for more than 30 minutes. With, I can easily do 6 hours. But still, the bulk makes me hesitantly put it on, sometimes.

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Post by dcchambers »

gizajob wrote: post #399
hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

Yeah absolutely. Every time I’ve been in my local Apple Store, I’ve basically been talked out of purchasing, or it becomes a huge hassle of upselling and extra worrying charges, and quite frankly, stupidity and lack of knowledge from the pseudo-smart staff. All they can do is toe the party line and what they’ve been trained to say and do, which kind of falls apart when faced with someone who has used Apple computers…

> Apples pricing structure is also annoying nowadays too. As soon as one specs out and bumps a laptop, one suddenly finds that they may as well get a different laptop, ie once you bump up a MacBook Air, you may as well just buy a Pro, until all of a sudden your £999 purchase idea has turned into £3000 and a debate about AppleCare.

Their pricing structure on basically all of their product lines is absolutely perfect from a capitalism/business perspective. They are so good at getting people to buy more than they need. It's impressive.

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Post by nomel »

threeseed wrote: post #361
nomel wrote: post #275

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I take their point as a problem of control. Picking up objects with hand tracking is, in my experience, much less deterministic, and much less useful, compared to picking them up with a button and haptics.

Everyone that has tried the Vision Pro has said the eye and hand tracking is flawless. Definitely agree with haptics which many have mentioned is an issue.

> Everyone that has tried the Vision Pro has said the eye and hand tracking is flawless.

Context of the interaction is important. I've seen this mentioned with selecting, but not with doing something like picking up a 3d object. I don't recall seeing this use in any of the release footage.

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