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What Every Programmer Should Know About SEO

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Re: What Every Programmer Should Know About SEO

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I despise SEO, but oddly enough I actually agree with what the article says. Possibly this is more for web-programmers than others, but these days that's quite a lot of people, and what the article says is succinct and to the point. What you have to realize is that SEO is a logarithmic curve; when you've done none, doing a little bit makes a huge difference. When you've already got a decent site, well... a lot of eff…

Everything except "Building Links" I would call UX/Accessibility if only to avoid any semblance of the shadier parts of SEO.

Re: What Every Programmer Should Know About SEO

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" Typical link building [...] can be through deals, partnerships, PR pitches, link exchanges – even paying for links. " A few of these techniques - link exchanges and buying links - sound like really bad advice, especially given that she is a former SEOmoz employee. She also omits the most straightforward way for startups to get backlinks => create content on your site worth linking to.

I've found that people hate to hear that when asking for advice on how to get traffic. It's even less popular than "eat right and exercise" as weight loss advice.

Mainly because unlike eating healthily it's actually a pretty broken concept.

Your search ranking is determined by your ability as a writer rather than the quality of your product.

Re: What Every Programmer Should Know About SEO

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Good article, I wanted to write something about it too(web developer with strong interest in SEO here). I'd say in the end it's more an introduction to SEO than it is advice for programmers about SEO. I'll detail 2 things she overlooked in my opinion.

For example, web developers have a fantastic opportunity to build links by getting involved in open source communities. These are extremely link-rich environments and by posting tutorials or creating small packages, you can find yourself with a lot of links pointing to your site. They will maybe not be relevant to your target keywords but will still be links from high-authority sources.

And I'd say the traditional way of garnering links still applies to web developers: get to know fellow developers, get interviewed on their blogs, exchange resources etc. So hang out where your community lives, whether it's on Reddit, StackOverflow, Hacker News etc. Get to know people, the SEO will follow.

Re: What Every Programmer Should Know About SEO

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" Typical link building [...] can be through deals, partnerships, PR pitches, link exchanges – even paying for links. " A few of these techniques - link exchanges and buying links - sound like really bad advice, especially given that she is a former SEOmoz employee. She also omits the most straightforward way for startups to get backlinks => create content on your site worth linking to.

I've found that people hate to hear that when asking for advice on how to get traffic. It's even less popular than "eat right and exercise" as weight loss advice.

A lot of people take a more directly cynical view of content creation, rather than the more passive ignorance we have with regard to health. Our health is not something someone else can take generally, content is.

It is too easy to look at the rampant copying and dirty tricks used to pull in viewers for ad revenue and think "if you can't beat them, join them" or worse "I might be able to beat them, but joining them seems easier".

Re: What Every Programmer Should Know About SEO

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Good article, I wanted to write something about it too(web developer with strong interest in SEO here). I'd say in the end it's more an introduction to SEO than it is advice for programmers about SEO. I'll detail 2 things she overlooked in my opinion. For example, web developers have a fantastic opportunity to build links by getting involved in open source communities. These are extremely link-rich environments and b…

This only works if your site has something to do with development.

Or are you suggesting posting development related topics to a non development related site purely to get those juicy backlinks (and thus good pagerank)?

Re: What Every Programmer Should Know About SEO

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Good article, I wanted to write something about it too(web developer with strong interest in SEO here). I'd say in the end it's more an introduction to SEO than it is advice for programmers about SEO. I'll detail 2 things she overlooked in my opinion. For example, web developers have a fantastic opportunity to build links by getting involved in open source communities. These are extremely link-rich environments and b…

This only works if your site has something to do with development. Or are you suggesting posting development related topics to a non development related site purely to get those juicy backlinks (and thus good pagerank)?

No, not only. You can host software packages and tutorials on your product website.

For example, patio11 of HN fame has an article about Rails SEO Tips on his product website http://www.bingocardcreator.com/articles/rails-seo-tips.htm

Even though I'd say that he could have done a better job at integrating it on his website (it looks too much like an isolated page in my opinion - there should be a "Tips for developers" section), it does the job at attracting links and boosting SEO for his main site (also with A/Bingo, a software package he developed: http://www.bingocardcreator.com/abingo).

Actually he developed a blueprint of what could be done for startups regarding SEO: http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/01/24/startup-seo/

And here you go, he got three more links for free :-)

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Re: What Every Programmer Should Know About SEO

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Site freshness only matters for certain categories/topics. For other topics you could say the older the static content the better. Some of my best ranking/money making pages have not changed in 8 years and rank better every year, without doing anything.

Regarding ranking algos, you did not mention the Trust Rank (there is a patent G filed some years ago). A low Trust Rank is equally bad as a low Page Rank. I don't really know much about it, but afaik it has to do with the trust that G has collected on your site, while Page Rank is based on individual pages. If you link to "bad neigborhoods" (another important term, think casino sites, v*agra, etc.) your TR will go down for example, and its hard to get it back up. If National Geographic links to one of your pages, your site's TR goes way up.

And then there is the number of pages on your site. Google will only crwal a limited amount of pages from your site, depending on your Page Rank and distribution of incoming links. So try to keep the number of crawlable pages focused to the relevant pages (ie the ones you'd like to see in G's index).

After some time and if you have tons of links, you will see a "deep crawl" with a bunch of Gbots hammerings you server and downloading many more pages a day than usual.

Re: What Every Programmer Should Know About SEO

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This only works if your site has something to do with development. Or are you suggesting posting development related topics to a non development related site purely to get those juicy backlinks (and thus good pagerank)?

No, not only. You can host software packages and tutorials on your product website. For example, patio11 of HN fame has an article about Rails SEO Tips on his product website http://www.bingocardcreator.com/articles/rails-seo-tips.htm Even though I'd say that he could have done a better job at integrating it on his website (it looks too much like an isolated page in my opinion - there should be a "Tips for developers…

That's sort of what I mean. For my work I build and run a number of websites which are almost completely unrelated to tech. These are service industry websites so there is no "product" to speak of.

I am looking for ways to improve pagerank, so let's say I was to write a few pages about how I built some of the trickier parts of these websites and hosted these on the websites themselves but perhaps did not link these through from the main pages (but did link back to the main pages from my new pages).

If I got links to my articles on reddit , HN etc then perhaps this would improve pagerank even though the pages are unrelated to the sites main content. So this would improve the search rankings for the websites on their main keywords as well?

Re: What Every Programmer Should Know About SEO

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PLEASE DO NOT READ THAT ARTICLE - it is bad for you and your business.

SEO is a bullshit industry. this means that 80% of everything that is written about SEO actually reduces your knowledge of SEO, that article is in no way different.

just pick a few examples:

    > A web crawler has to crawl your site (and every other site on the web)
   > Indexes all the pages ..
   > Organizes the indexed collection and stores ...
this one misses on of the most important steps of the google site processing pipe: Discovery is the process of discovering URLs to crawl. It is fueled by the sitemap.xml and crawling.

PageRank - is not - "another important part of authority" - pagerank is thoughtcancer. don't ever say that word, don't ever think that word. see my TC article here http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/07/startups-linking-to-your-co...

    >Ensure pages render without JavaScript enabled
sadly google parses and to some degree renders JS ... badly. this tip is good, but leads to the false conclusion that google does not parse/render/"see" JS.

    > you should also pay attention to how you construct links and anchor text to internal pages on your site.
internal link anchor text is mostly irrelevant.

    >your own internal links use relevant keywords in the anchor text.
it's also some of the worst things, as the impact in minimal to not measurable.

    >So if you load a bunch of text dynamically with Ajax, or JavaScript, create a non-JavaScript version that will show the same information.
outdated, google now even does onload-triggered POST requests if necessary. js is still bad, but the story above is only half the story.

    >Put them in the URL (and even better if your domain name has your keywords)
oh god, not again. these are the SEO URL rules

    #### landingpage url rules

    all URLs on an a webproperty must be according to these rules
    listed in priority!

    1. unique (1 URL == 1 resource, 1 resource == 1 URL)
    2. permanent (they do not change, no dependencies)
    3. manageable (1 logic per site section, no complicated exceptions)
    4. easily scalable logic
    5. short
    6. with a targeted keyword phrase
further down she says something about 404s and it sounds like they are bad. 404 are great. when pages are gone, they are gone - 404 or 410. if the move then 301. but do not redirect gone pages to friendly 200 pages. keep your site simple and your redirects rules as well.

    >Additionally you want as many links to contain appropriate alt text.
links don't have alt text, images have alt text. in an image is linked, that alt text substitutes the anchor text.

    >But SEO isn’t just about building a great site that is crawlable and has the right content – it is also about converting users.
no, that is the job of the product, onpage marketing, conversion optimization. SEO is really just about getting - targeted - visitors. (she has clearly read too much SEOmoz)

    >the most defensible SEO strategy is links,
no, it's not. that is just something that SEO agencies tell you to sell you their services and useless tools.

disclaimer: i work as an SEO - i hate SEOs. my biggest success is 62 M visitors a month. i don't read SEO blogs.

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