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Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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Probably closer to 100/1, or worse - that's the gamble you (should) know you're taking if you accept venture capital. It's not for everyone, but eastdakota is right that it's not for nobody .

If it was 100/1, no VC would stay afloat, right? The math here isn't that hard to work out; it tracks the portfolio logic of the funds themselves.

The "fairytale" cases (IPO) are quite rare, but acquisition is a little less rare, and help support the portfolio.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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> You're arguing with economics here... No, I'm arguing against die-hard monetarists who still buy Friedman's bullshit 25 years after the Asian financial crisis and 15 years after the subprimes crisis. Japan has had more than two decade of low interests with no inflation, and the rest of the world had one decade with the same result, but as these people are cultists, they don't care about facts and they never did. In…

I appreciate the context and will research the differences you shared; this topic interests me. > This is goalpost moving. My comments have been under the context of the post, VC funding. With VCs, you often find companies spring from nowhere with a marketing blitz or infinite runway in an exclusive access phase. This is not accessible to the common person, and in my opinion stems from a modernly masked form of nepot…

I am personally of the opinion that the central bank is irrelevant. The only factor relating to central banks that has any relevance is that they issue cash with a price control aka the zero lower bound on interest. This results in the usual problems with minimum price controls. There will be an oversupply of the "product" in question. Because the ZLB applies to the short term interest ratethere will be an oversupply of liquid and immediately accessible deposits or account balances. People will be hesitant to commit their money long term and they instead just wait for the next opportunity. This then leads to a slow down of money circulation, which in turn forces the entire economy to adapt to this artificially created situation. This behaviour creates an opportunity to plug the gap with newly created money by commercial banks by keeping less than 100% of the deposits in reserve. The problem is that the newly created money will end up stuck in the same accounts as before which means that the bandaid solution has to be repeated endlessly. The obvious solution is to eliminate the zero lower bound and let the market determine both positive and negative interest on liquid account balances. Then the central bank won't have to do anything at all except prevent commercial banks from creating too much money by having reserve requirements at 50% or higher. You will get most of the neoclassical predictions like full employment even if the economy is no longer growing or the last world war has been eighty years ago.

But the reverse is also true. If you keep the ZLB enjoy living in an imperfect world that needs constant government intervention to deal with the constant dysfunction that such a price control generates.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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How do you know if you have a Rocket? Many (most?) VC funded companies are just appearance, no substance and it’s all very apparent. All the new AI ‘products’ for instance. So those are clearly not rockets, just blah and hype. Maybe we had rockets before, but I don’t want to lie and cheat like some of our vc invested companies did (most are gone). Never were rockets, just hype, Twitter presence and faking all around.

monthly/annual growth? To be honest, startups play on another level than most SMBs. With a SMB, you can double your growth every year for 5-10 years straight, and do very well, but not be interesting for VCs. To be interesting and relevant for VC money, you need a business that can scale to millions of users. If you can show that you're able to double growth every month (or similar short-window metrics) with an idea…

Actually you would be interesting for VCs if you started compounded from a reasonable start like $1m/year. Doubling for five years would get you to $32m/year, and 10 years to 1b/year, leading to a $10b valuation.

One common benchmark for startups at the $1m/year stage is T2D3 (triple, triple, double, double, double).

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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I'll take another position; since it might be keen to understand a little more from a different perspective. I am a person who is a non-founder startup CTO; my company does not have any venture capital funding and we have enough capital to go to market. However, certain institutions (especially US ones) give great discounts, insider incentives (such as early access to features or access to people) and so on to ventur…

Would it be possible to take ~$100k of VC funding to get the 'VC-funded' benefits without actually giving up any real control of the company?

You'd go to an angel.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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IIRC each time you raise a round, your chances of success go down by ~10x. Can't find a good cite offhand though.

Every time you raise a round, the outcome you're shooting for is magnified. If you're raising an A round, you're not getting acquired after your seed; you're rolling the dice on getting a much better outcome. If you're raising a B round, you've got some facsimile of product-market fit, and you've decided to take the company to the point where the only "successful" outcomes are denominated in hundreds of millions of d…

It gets even worse, because a proportion of those raising another round are doing it because they're failing to grow fast enough, and are grabbing more cash before it's too late.

So you get a mix on those rolling the dice one more time in the hope of that next 10x, and those unable to get an exit, and unable to earn enough, but able to convince investors one more time that this round will pay off, and who will rarely pay off well for founders or early investors, if at all.

I've both been in companies like that and worked for a VC analysing round data to avoid putting money in companies like that...

In a company like that, I once got 10k for my original 25% stake when the company was finally acquired... I left after the 4th round or so, and there were at least a few more after I left (I stopped.paying attention. The company was acquired for only 40% above the size of the A round.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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According to Statista there were 16,464 VC deals signed in 2022. There were 181 IPOs in that year. The most IPOs in a year ever is 1,035. Obviously the two aren't directly comparable, but the point I'm getting at is that an IPO exit for any company is really unusual. If you found a company and take on VC funding your exit event is much more likely to be getting acquired if you don't fail. It does happen, and deserved…

Most businesses fail. My intuition is that rate of failure in software, where its much more winner take all, would be higher than brick and motor businesses, which constantly fail. So really, this doesn't seem surprising.

I think it's entering a winner take all market that's strongly correlated with VC money. There's plenty of software companies that outlive restaurants and startup cycles, doing pretty common B2B work, but they are unlikely to accidentally get a valuation based on a probability of winning a winner take all market.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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That statement needs qualifiers. Most companies that need infra to serve customers need money to build that before they can start investing with money they make. Hard to see how Google or Amazon could have come about without VC funding

Hardware is cheap. The engineers are more expensive.

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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Which is why this place is just Reddit with more flowery language and an illusion of expertise

I really don't agree. This place is filled with some of the most intelligent subject matter experts in the world.

Filled? I would say some really intelligent 1% programmers use this site to reach out to average programmers like me. Discussions around programming are often filled with people that tried a technology for 15 minutes and gave up.

Every other subject? It's a lot of cherry picked data and political dog whistling with an occasional expert

Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company

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People running startups shouldn't be so proud of raising capital; it's silly child's play. Instead, you should focus on your craft and your product. The entire concept of corporations and shareholder capitalism is what is wrong with human civilization. It destroys the environment and reduces harmony in society. And mindlessly taking in capital, whether VC-funded or not, creates overhead and bloat, along with so-calle…

> Look at Slack, Figma, Notion—they are all stagnating.

We should commend companies that resist artificially expanding the scope of their products. Sometimes a product is done. I recall Antoine de Saint-Exupéry's aphorism that "perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away".

All your examples are of single-product companies. They should expand their product portfolio instead.

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