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Defecting from North Korea is now harder

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Re: Defecting from North Korea is now harder

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Post by phatskat »

gloryjulio wrote: post #36
phatskat wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An argument I’ve seen is that we haven’t seen a truly communist country yet. The most promising ones (imo) were smaller countries who’s communist ambitions were stifled by American-backed coups. Many of the earlier communist leaders like Lenin and Mao also knew that their countries weren’t communist in practice, as you can’t slip a switch and suddenly you have working communism. Their goals were to establish governme…

> Capitalism may “work”, but it’s definitely not sustainable without checks and balances and limits on wealth accumulation and influence. Allowed to roam free, it’s disingenuous to say they “aren’t perfect”, they’re destroying the planet and its people. I don't see how this wouldn't apply to so called working communism, if there is any

There isn’t any that I’m aware of - most governments fall victim to the rich and powerful, one way or another.

Re: Defecting from North Korea is now harder

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Post by gloryjulio »

phatskat wrote: post #41
gloryjulio wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Capitalism may “work”, but it’s definitely not sustainable without checks and balances and limits on wealth accumulation and influence. Allowed to roam free, it’s disingenuous to say they “aren’t perfect”, they’re destroying the planet and its people. I don't see how this wouldn't apply to so called working communism, if there is any

There isn’t any that I’m aware of - most governments fall victim to the rich and powerful, one way or another.

So why not change Capitalism to just government including Capitalism, Communism or Whatevernism?

Re: Defecting from North Korea is now harder

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Post by fndex »

ornornor wrote: post #39
fndex wrote: post #30

I'm not saying North Korea is a paradise or anything, but the country is technically still at war with the South Korea, which is heavily backed by the US. I wonder how much can be trusted from a NY Times(a US media company) article written by the "Seoul bureau chief for The New York Times".

It’s also a country where the people are indoctrinated to believe their great leader is born under a double rainbow and descended straight from heaven, didn’t defecate ever, learnt to walk aged 3 weeks (yup) and to speak 5 weeks later at 8 weeks (yup), wrote 1500 books over 3 years, along with 6 operas (the bestest in the history of music, no less), and scored a 38 under par with 11 holes in one on the one and only N…

I'm sure you learned all that from other US/South Korean articles like this one, right?

I watched a documentary about North Korean defectors that wanted to go back to North Korea, one of the many reasons was to be with their families. They never mentioned their family were imprisioned. And it wouldn't make much sense to want to go back if their family was imprisioned.

Again, I'm no North Korean supporter or whatever, I just think there is a LOT of propaganda and misinformation about NK, and I think we should take everything with a grain of salt... Unless you think the US is a saint and would never lie about enemy countries.

And about the sanctions, I dind't mention any sanctions, you are just assuming that I support X or Y, when I never said such thing.

Re: Defecting from North Korea is now harder

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Post by fndex »

sharikous wrote: post #38
fndex wrote: post #30

I'm not saying North Korea is a paradise or anything, but the country is technically still at war with the South Korea, which is heavily backed by the US. I wonder how much can be trusted from a NY Times(a US media company) article written by the "Seoul bureau chief for The New York Times".

You are perfectly right. Still "not a paradise" is an exaggerated euphemism once you look at available data (not only American).

Absolutely. I would definitely not like to live or even visit there. I just think that every story has 2 sides, and we don't hear the other side very often.

Re: Defecting from North Korea is now harder

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Post by npteljes »

fndex wrote: post #30

I'm not saying North Korea is a paradise or anything, but the country is technically still at war with the South Korea, which is heavily backed by the US. I wonder how much can be trusted from a NY Times(a US media company) article written by the "Seoul bureau chief for The New York Times".

As with any news, you take it with a pinch of salt. Nothing new here.

Are there particular things in this report which you don't agree with, or consider suspicious, or know that it's an outright lie?

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