VC money is the rocket fuel. If you're not going to build a rocket, then don't take resources. There are plenty of tech startups generating over $100 million in revenue that didn't require that fuel.
Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company
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#52You’re so right! It was an absolute disaster for us. Never do it!!!!! Kidding aside, it is true that raising money from VCs puts you on a very defined path with really only three potential outcomes: 1) failure, 2) sell to acquirer, or 3) go public. There are a small handful of exceptions, mostly for companies that throw off massive amounts of cash, but, realistically, those are the outcomes. If you don’t like any of…
has cloudflare ever had a profitable quarter?
I could give away my investor's $10 bills all day too
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#53I recognize there must be good VCs around, but so much of what you see looks really like a kid's game to me. So many douchy people with the same cliche advice acting like they're visionaries. And a certain kind of "lifestyle" "founder" fawning all over them. Starting a company has been commoditized and turned into an internship for smart kids. I know it's not all like this but for anyone seriously interested in doing…
Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company
#54You’re so right! It was an absolute disaster for us. Never do it!!!!! Kidding aside, it is true that raising money from VCs puts you on a very defined path with really only three potential outcomes: 1) failure, 2) sell to acquirer, or 3) go public. There are a small handful of exceptions, mostly for companies that throw off massive amounts of cash, but, realistically, those are the outcomes. If you don’t like any of…
Just like everything else, the real approach to this is nuanced. It's important to highlight that as many fundraisers are operating under misguided thinking on this topic.
Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company
#55You’re so right! It was an absolute disaster for us. Never do it!!!!! Kidding aside, it is true that raising money from VCs puts you on a very defined path with really only three potential outcomes: 1) failure, 2) sell to acquirer, or 3) go public. There are a small handful of exceptions, mostly for companies that throw off massive amounts of cash, but, realistically, those are the outcomes. If you don’t like any of…
> While there are plenty of VC horror stories, there are fairytales as well. What's the ratio, though??? 10/1? 20/1? 50/1?
They’re looking for a 10+% return on the entire portfolio.
Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company
#56You’re so right! It was an absolute disaster for us. Never do it!!!!! Kidding aside, it is true that raising money from VCs puts you on a very defined path with really only three potential outcomes: 1) failure, 2) sell to acquirer, or 3) go public. There are a small handful of exceptions, mostly for companies that throw off massive amounts of cash, but, realistically, those are the outcomes. If you don’t like any of…
> While there are plenty of VC horror stories, there are fairytales as well. What's the ratio, though??? 10/1? 20/1? 50/1?
Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company
#571) Raise $1-2 million (ideally from multiple small investors rather than 1 big investor, many smaller investors increases your control since every investor alone is too small to make serious demands about how you should run your business)
2) use the $1-2 mill to find product market fit and (more importantly) achieve profitability (or be cash flow neutral) within 12-18 months. If you can’t reach profitability, close your doors and start another company with a new idea rather than raising a 2nd VC round (fail fast)
3) reinvest new sales into growth, and don’t raise another round of capital even if people are offering you lots of money
Some advantages:
- Fail fast. It’s better to be resource constrained in the early days so that you don’t spend many years chasing an idea “just because you can afford to” when it’s destined to fail
- It lowers the valuation where selling your company will be a profitable transaction for founders & employees. If you raise $2m you can sell for $8m and make a good return for founders/employees, whereas if you raise $20 million you’ll never be able to sell your company for less than $20m, and you now need to sell for $25m+ in order to see any meaningful as a founder
- Without huge investors, you have a lot of latitude to operate your business however you want. When you raise $20m+, you basically become an employee of your investors
- You typically retain full board control if only raising $1-2 million, this amount is low enough that the VCs probably won’t even need or want a board seat
Disadvantages:
- You’ll get less support from your investors because they invested less. The less money VCs invest, the less attention they give you. This can be a downside if you actively want VC help (which personally I find overrated, very few VCs actually add value beyond the money invested, most VCs have never actually run a company and have only watched from the sidelines)
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TLDR: raising low single digit millions in seed money to get going in the beginning is rarely a bad idea. Raising too much money too soon (especially before reaching PMF/profitability) severely limits options for a future exit and potentially creates difficult dynamics with VCs to deal with, if you accept a lot of money from a VC most will want you to do whatever necessary for them to get their money back.
VC isn’t bad, there’s a time and place for VC. But it’s 100% a game.
You must know the rules of the game before playing.
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#58>Maybe it’s the amount of customers a company has, or the speed at which that customer base is growing. Business dudes like to call it traction, but I’m not sure whether they know what they’re really talking about. I’m not even sure if they know what they’re talking about. Regardless, whatever traction may be, the minor problem is that, well, having traction doesn’t magically make your company profitable. People wond…
We stupidly agreed (everyone understood the $4k per user was a crazy aberration, but it triggered thoughts of "but even if we get to just $400 per user fast enough to get acquired...), and ended up selling off that service a year and and a half or so later for a pittance after pivoting (we did the ".name" top level domain, which was not a great money maker either - was eventually sold to Verisign and I got a little unexpected cheque years after I'd left, but nowhere close to f-you money), but the point being that there were a whole lot of companies spending far more on acquiring users at that point on the basis of crazy per-user valuations than there was any realistic way of earning back.
So, yeah, you can always convert users into money, but that doesn't necessarily mean you'll be able to convert them into profit.
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#59The article has a lot of interesting points, but seems to miss out on one of the main reasons (IMO) that startups take funding, which is to grow faster than (or as fast as) their competition. Unless you're lucky enough to be in a market segment without competition, you need to keep an eye on what your competitors are up to. If they can expand faster, add features faster and get more customers than you, it damages you…
OR (as you say, but many miss) you do not care about being the market leader. I just want to have a nice company with nice people, no stress and making millions for all to live. I don’t need vc money, stress, be the market leader or ‘be faster than the competition’. A LOT of services or products you can make a long term (decades) money with like this. I don’t need more than 10m euros in my life, nor do my colleagues…
If a company has a vision fulfilling every request outside of the vision could be considered a distraction. The VC has legitimate concerns outside of the scope of the company vision.
Apple is one of the few modern companies that I can think of where the VC money was useful.
If anyone can remember google before going public and after going public might mourn the old google.
Imagine if google wasn't romanced by Wall Street but followed their own path like craigslist.org. I believe that google would have been much more collaborative. I can't see where going public helped google be good at internet search.
Re: Don't Take VC Funding – It Will Destroy Your Company
#60You’re so right! It was an absolute disaster for us. Never do it!!!!! Kidding aside, it is true that raising money from VCs puts you on a very defined path with really only three potential outcomes: 1) failure, 2) sell to acquirer, or 3) go public. There are a small handful of exceptions, mostly for companies that throw off massive amounts of cash, but, realistically, those are the outcomes. If you don’t like any of…