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Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by bonzini »

kzrdude wrote: post #49
beardedscotsman wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand your critique. Are you saying that European software developers don’t have a passion for shipping products?

> It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay people in Europe to have this attitude This sentence implies that "this kind of people" exist in both places. I don't see any judgment in terms of where they are more prevalent.

It does imply that the opposite kind can't be found in Europe, otherwise you would also be better off paying a lower salary for them.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by gruez »

alkibiades wrote: post #47
isykt wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was an acquisition, not a merger, but if we misquote your mother a bit to fit this situation: YouTube?

youtube is significantly worse other than maybe in stability/uptime. remember google tried to force that weird google plus login instead? and now it’s so corporatized/ad filled

When you consider the alternative is no youtube at all (remember, they were hemorrhaging money), everything you described doesn't seem so bad.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by brigadier132 »

ghaff wrote: post #26
arcbyte wrote: post #21

There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…

Oh the horror. Someone might work a job because they need money to eat even though they’re not deeply passionate about it.

Ok... why do all the people that just want to clock in and get a paycheck get offended that people willing to pay a lot of money want to hire people that actually care?

Because you want to have your cake and eat it too?

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Post by [deleted] »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #43
isykt wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was an acquisition, not a merger, but if we misquote your mother a bit to fit this situation: YouTube?

YouTube’s algorithm routinely drives people to more and more extreme content and is designed to be as addictive as possible so that users don’t leave. A lot of this is the result of Google’s acquiring them. I’m curious how you think it’s better. Let me also be clear that it’s not like it was squeaky clean and friendly prior. But to say it has improved since the acquisition…I’m having a hard time seeing that.

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Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by ghaff »

scrollaway wrote: post #52
ghaff wrote: post #26

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Oh the horror. Someone might work a job because they need money to eat even though they’re not deeply passionate about it.

There was a thread on Reddit yesterday asking what you would do if you didn’t have to think about money tomorrow. Like half the top posts were some version of “quit my job”. This part of society is really broken. “I wish I didn’t have to deal with this thing taking up half of my life” isn’t a thing the majority of people should have to feel. I don’t really have a point. Sorry.

I’m pretty sure that’s been true for as long as there have been jobs. At least at this point I wouldn’t be working for someone if I didn’t need to think about money.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by nexuist »

emptysongglass wrote: post #23
arcbyte wrote: post #21

There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…

Your comment implies European tech workers are somehow less passionate or that passionate tech workers can't be found here. This is a harmful myth that perpetuates our depressed wages. We're not America's backwater for tech sourcing. We're just as capable and passionate.

With all due respect, as a European myself, the ones who are passionate about tech do not stay out of the US for long. There are notable exceptions of course but the immigration statistics and subsequent brain drain is undeniable. The only notable tech company to come out of Europe in the last decade is Spotify.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by ghaff »

dasil003 wrote: post #59
ghaff wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh the horror. Someone might work a job because they need money to eat even though they’re not deeply passionate about it.

I dislike the word “passionate” in this context too. You don’t have to be in love with programming, but there definitely are qualities of curiosity, tenacity and pride of workmanship that are very important to high performing software teams.

To some degree that’s probably true of most jobs though. There are some people that paint software as something unique where it isn’t some all consuming nights and weekends interest you’re not a “real” programmer.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by impissedoff1 »

iampims wrote: post #56
yodsanklai wrote: post #50

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> This is a harmful myth that perpetuates our depressed wages In some European countries, conditions are more favorable to workers, and this can be reflected in the wages as well. For instance, an employee in France will enjoy 35 weeks of holiday per year (not including public holidays), and also stronger protections regarding layoffs. This is somewhat expected that wages are also lower. EDIT: 35 days , not weeks.

You possibly meant 35 days per year.

Weeks

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by 29athrowaway »

isykt wrote: post #36
jackhack wrote: post #32

My mother was a banker. She asked a hypothetical question of me, 30 years ago, that I've never been able to answer: "Name for me one company that was better, for the customer or the employees, after a merger."

This was an acquisition, not a merger, but if we misquote your mother a bit to fit this situation: YouTube?

It's full of residential trash burning videos.

They film themselves burning residential trash and teach others "how to save money at the dump" doing it.

Each one of them pollutes more than an entire city.

I've reported them, because those activities are illegal, and YouTube keeps the videos up.

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