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Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

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Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

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Most "read it later" services save web pages on their servers, which cannot preserve paywalls, ad-free content, pages that require login or registration, and pages on a local network. Sharing why I decided to develop my own "read it later" software. 1. I have a habit of saving web pages I like, most of which are in MHTML format, some are saved as single-file HTML, and others are web archives saved on iOS. Altogether,…

Looks cool, but writing "pay for what you need" and no pricing info on the page is really off-putting.

Tried the pricing page?

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#92

Most "read it later" services save web pages on their servers, which cannot preserve paywalls, ad-free content, pages that require login or registration, and pages on a local network. Sharing why I decided to develop my own "read it later" software. 1. I have a habit of saving web pages I like, most of which are in MHTML format, some are saved as single-file HTML, and others are web archives saved on iOS. Altogether,…

Looks cool, but writing "pay for what you need" and no pricing info on the page is really off-putting.

"Thank you for your reminder. May I ask if you are accessing the website on your mobile phone? The pricing page is located at the top of the official website for desktop version. If you are using the mobile version, you will need to click on the hamburger button.

I have updated the wording to: “Free during the beta period, Provide Believer plan, one-time purchase (60$) with lifetime updates.”

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#94

Most "read it later" services save web pages on their servers, which cannot preserve paywalls, ad-free content, pages that require login or registration, and pages on a local network. Sharing why I decided to develop my own "read it later" software. 1. I have a habit of saving web pages I like, most of which are in MHTML format, some are saved as single-file HTML, and others are web archives saved on iOS. Altogether,…

Yesterday I was on a flight so I downloaded some paywalled articles on my phone using safari reading list. Once we took off and I lost connectivity I opened the article and saw - the paywall page. I tried looking for mobile read later apps that save offline and save what I saw not what their servers see, but not much luck.

I’ve my own app which can save pages as I saw them and create reader views out of them, but no offline access yet. This is a pretty niche use case but I feel these days more and more decent writing is behind paywalls (Substack and newsletters) so the current read it later apps are losing usefulness and they’re all frozen on features.

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#95

Original author here. My six-year-old rant still mostly applies (there've been some improvements to tag editing, and there's now in-article search for the Android app), but Pocket still massively underdelivers, increasingly as one relies on it more. Most recently, I found I had to revert to a six-month-old version of the app in order to have both paginated navigation and to be able to open the "web view" in app ... w…

I’m using Pocket for reading articles on eink in spare time - I use Kobo Forma - it has 8” screen and is lightweight and has a decent battery life (unlike newer Kobo Sage). Not all articles are saved though. I used to do a trick with Remarkable 2/kobo - exporting webpage on iPhone into Dropbox as pdf - resulting pdf is formatted for a small screen For pdfs and web reading I use Boox Onyx Air - with 10.3” screen and f…

Onyx BOOX Max Lumi here, 13'3 inches of 2200x1650 pixel, 220 dpi, 16 greyscale goodness. The device is quite frankly fantastic, despite a somewhat anemic (for my purposes) onboard storage of 64 GB (doubled in the follow-in Max Lumi 2). (I'm perennially well above 90% utilised, though a good chunk of that are podcasts.) I've written about that at length in other HN comments, search should turn those up for anyone interested. Yes, it's huge, but it means (almost) never having to pan-and-zoom within scientific or scanned-in magazine articles.

Smaller devices can work, though 8" is probably the smallest I'd consider for serious reading.

My experience with Onyx is that when used just for e-books the battery life is excellent. Once you start web surfing or playing podcasts, battery starts getting chewed pretty quickly, though a charge still lasts most of a day. My preferred web browser (Einkbro) easily consumes 10x the power of Neoreader (Onyx's ebook reader software).

I'm increasingly finding the Web just ... generally less interesting (though of course it is compelling to a painful degree), and have amassed a large library of books and articles mostly in PDF, ePub, DVJU, and a smattering of other formats. Organising those usefully is the 2nd 90% of my content-management frustration. Writing is the 3rd 90%. Oddly enough, Termux provides a number of tools there that I find useful, including a healthy chunk of the libpoppler PDF tools, though that really needs an external keyboard (which I have, it's still somewhat awkward to use).

What I really wish Pocket would do is:

- Render Web-based articles in a fixed-layout, paginated, comfortably-margined (sides AND top/bottom) layout, with e-book-reader style touch-based page turns. (Whatever your favourite ebook reader does, that's what I'm talking about, Neoreader is quite good, I've also used FBReader and Pocketbook, and looked at the Koboreader software a bit.)

- Let me tag, highlight, and annotate those to my heart's content.

- Let me SEARCH the damned archive, by metadata and full text.

- Let me edit metadata where automated tools (or poor original creation) have fouled things up.

- Let me export lists of references with relevant metadata: title, author, URL, dates, etc.

I've adopted a number of practices to make up for holes in Pocket's offerings.

- I started tagging items with a "filed: " tag a couple of years ago. I'd really like for that to be a built-in feature, and for search by time-period to be A Thing: past day / week / month / year, as well as spans. With my tags and an exported dataset I can at least build my own tools to do that.

- I've got a handful of projects that I'll tag a piece with if it pertains to that, so "project: " Given the 25-character tag limitation, "proj:" would probably be a better prefix.

- Similar concepts for "task: " and "error: ", where tasks are specific to-do type things (e.g., "hn" for "post to Hacker News"), or "print" for make a hardcopy printout. "share: " could also be reminders to ping somebody with an article.

- "BOTI" is "best of the interval", the notion being that this is an exceptionally good item. More recently I've been relying on Einkbro's "save as ePub" feature which enables saving multiple articles, over time, to a single document. So you can build up a book of articles. (One thing I've realised from doing that is just how much reading I put on my plate. A small sampling of articles from the current year already runs to ~400 pages as an ePub.)

- I've got a notation for indicating my assessed article quality, on a scale of 0 to (for now) 5, with higher being better. 0 indicates content that makes you dumber (usually archived as examples of bogosity or negative propaganda). 1 merely establishes a basic fact, 2 gives some detail, 3 is a high-quality article, 4 exemplary article or a good book, 5 effectively establishes a new field or is otherwise a definitive reference (say: Shannon's articles on information theory). I try very hard to not over-rate content, and one of my projects is downrating a bunch of stuff I'd initially ranked too high.

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks cool, but writing "pay for what you need" and no pricing info on the page is really off-putting.

"Thank you for your reminder. May I ask if you are accessing the website on your mobile phone? The pricing page is located at the top of the official website for desktop version. If you are using the mobile version, you will need to click on the hamburger button. I have updated the wording to: “Free during the beta period, Provide Believer plan, one-time purchase (60$) with lifetime updates.”

Uh, yes, sorry. I also use a dark theme extension that renders the menu icon almost invisible (maybe try to view the page with some of them, in high enough contrast ratio this shouldn't happen). I thought the footer had all the links, so maybe that should be extended - stating the price on multiple places does not seem necessary otherwise.

Price seems to be reasonable, good luck with your project!

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Thank you for your reminder. May I ask if you are accessing the website on your mobile phone? The pricing page is located at the top of the official website for desktop version. If you are using the mobile version, you will need to click on the hamburger button. I have updated the wording to: “Free during the beta period, Provide Believer plan, one-time purchase (60$) with lifetime updates.”

Uh, yes, sorry. I also use a dark theme extension that renders the menu icon almost invisible (maybe try to view the page with some of them, in high enough contrast ratio this shouldn't happen). I thought the footer had all the links, so maybe that should be extended - stating the price on multiple places does not seem necessary otherwise. Price seems to be reasonable, good luck with your project!

You are right, I added the price link in the footer.

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#98
I decided to take a look at the redesigned mobile app after some time not using it. Can't believe how much worse it got.

I don't appreciate their move towards "social" feed sure, but the reader has genuinely gotten worse. I remember that it used to have the options to adjust:

- Line Height

- Page Width

- Text Alignment

- Fonts beyond the defaults (for paid subscribers, which I am one).

In the new app, it was all gone. Yet, I'm still paying the same premium price for it. The web app still has those perks, but it's probably because there hasn't been any update to it for the past 2 years or so.

I haven't had any use for the app for some years now. Like what many say in this thread, it's not that hard to build a system that replaces it well enough. You just need to make it scrape links, turn them to markdown (personal preference), and index the entire content for FTS in SQLite.

Thanks to the OP for reminding me to cancel my subscription. Now I just need to find a way to export my huge pocket archive before the subscription renews.

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks cool, but writing "pay for what you need" and no pricing info on the page is really off-putting.

"Thank you for your reminder. May I ask if you are accessing the website on your mobile phone? The pricing page is located at the top of the official website for desktop version. If you are using the mobile version, you will need to click on the hamburger button. I have updated the wording to: “Free during the beta period, Provide Believer plan, one-time purchase (60$) with lifetime updates.”

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Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#100
> The fact that I can't even say, not even approximately, how much material I've archived, is a profound signifier of the design failures and lack of consideration of use-cases. The folks at Pocket seem to have given absolutely no thought to how people might use their product, or benefit by self-directed use. (And it's not as if they've not heard: I've shared this complaint with them multiple times over the past two years.)

This sounds like the sort of thing the Pocket engineer[s] probably understand and desire, but it doesn't fit the vision of some designer who vetoes it and tells the engineer[s] they don't know anything about design and that users don't want to be cluttered with extraneous information and features.

Or maybe I'm just projecting my experiences.

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