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Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

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Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

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I use Joplin for this

What benefits does this offer, and what's your use case

This Joplin? https://joplinapp.org/>

Please note that I'm specifically trying to capture online content --- full articles with references, URIs, etc. Not simply take notes.

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

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My use case for Pocket is completely different from the author’s. I use it every day to get web content onto a Kobo ereader. It strips ads and often gets stuff behind paywalls. My family shares the same pocket account and we often end up discussing things that get synced to all the kobos in the house. This functionality is so useful and seems like a well kept secret. If it went away I’d really be upset.

Same here with Onyx.

FWIW, my principle use of Pocket is on an Onyx BOOX device.

(Original author.)

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

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Original author here. My six-year-old rant still mostly applies (there've been some improvements to tag editing, and there's now in-article search for the Android app), but Pocket still massively underdelivers, increasingly as one relies on it more. Most recently, I found I had to revert to a six-month-old version of the app in order to have both paginated navigation and to be able to open the "web view" in app ... w…

Was this a case of enshittification, per Cory Doctorow, or something else?

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#54
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm with you as long as -- by design -- it consists of the plainest of plain text, and will migrate with me along my life. otherwise all the shine and chrome in the world won't make it superior to a filing cabinet and some free time. that's the difficulty point for all of these personal PIM type tools, they all have their own biased view on things like file format and 'touchability' of stored data in the (unannounced…

Agree with the plainest-of-plain-text approach. For me, the more structured the note system, the less it is used. I have a simple script called `n` that operates on a `notes.txt` on my NAS. If given arguments, it appends a timestamp and the arguments (verbatim) to the notes file. This serves as a super quick way to jot something down or log an action (`n determined Krylon adheres best for project X`, `n timestamp pla…

Do you look back over these notes and find them useful? Perhaps it's my ADD or the nature of the software products I create, but for the past 20 years of my career, I've never kept significant notes and never found myself missing them. I'm wondering if there's something I don't know that I don't know here.

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#55
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everyone needs a personal-knowledge-base What is that? Do I need it?

Yes. You need notes that you can search through, and useful information that you've collected. Otherwise you're limited by what you can hold in your head - and as you get older and take on more ambitious work you'll find that's a pretty big restriction. My version of that is spread out across way too many places now - it's mainly https://til.simonwillison.net/ and https://simonwillison.net/ for published notes, 700+…

You certainly don’t need - I know and have worked with many successful people who don’t have any sort of meaningful (beyond grocery list type) notes or externally-stored knowledge of any kind.

This feels like a comment without substance and in a way, it is. But I think it’s important to push back on this idea that if you aren’t managing a Second Brain while you’re GTD’ing a side project and Tools for Thought-ing your way through the western canon you’re wasting your life.

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

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post #38

Very much agree that Pocket has gotten worse as I've used it over the years. It's so bad I've mostly moved to the much better Readwise ( https://readwise.io/ ). I'd be fully over if they actually supported a decent export (see below). It's sad because I'm probably in the 99th percentile of Pocket users in terms of usage and am happily paying them for Premium. I can't remember a significant improvement to Pocket in 2…

By the way, I'm curious if there are any Pocket communities anywhere. Readwise, for instance, has an active Discord. I haven't been able to find anything for Pocket, which is perhaps telling.

I'd gone poking around on The Site That Is On Strike recently and discovered that both /r/pocket and /r/getpocket are either on strike or had been closed by admins, it's not clear which.

That said, yes, curiously little community around Pocket.

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#57
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only revenue stream that isn’t user-hostile is subscriptions. And people generally hate that: imo, the web ended up ad-supported because users did not want to pay every website they used directly and it remains ad-supported because users continue to reject the viable alternatives (subscriptions, services like Blendle, some micropayment scheme).

Yeah, subscriptions is tough for this because it needs to be a solution which lasts a lifetime - it's hard to confidently subscribe to something that I may end up paying for decades, especially if it may turn out not to be the right solution in the long-run.

I think some combination of a subscription and source escrow would be ideal here: if the service goes under, some third-party releases the source to subscribed customers.

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

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Pocket could have been much more; it should be something between [omnivore.app](https://omnivore.app/) and Evernote's scrap-booking feature and then it would be immensely useful and bring people to Firefox. In its current form, it's a fancy bookmark maker that I don't ever use.

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

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Original author here. My six-year-old rant still mostly applies (there've been some improvements to tag editing, and there's now in-article search for the Android app), but Pocket still massively underdelivers, increasingly as one relies on it more. Most recently, I found I had to revert to a six-month-old version of the app in order to have both paginated navigation and to be able to open the "web view" in app ... w…

Was this a case of enshittification, per Cory Doctorow, or something else? [1] https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/

Given that enshittification is a power play by a dominant monopoly, and Pocket really doesn't seem to have any such power, I'd argu that it's not that. Plain old incompetence and/or failure to articulate product-market fit seems far more likely.

Specifically as regards Pocket, there seem to be both a constant war against those using the tool, and/or who are inflicted with it (it's packaged/bundled with Firefox these days), neither of which do much to engender good relations.

There's also what I see as a terribly misguided goal of trying to be a content recommendation engine, when I suspect that the problem most of us face isn't not having sufficient gobs of content shoveled at our faces, but in trying to make sense of that which we have acquired.

Tools such as workflows, date-based tagging, multi-tag search (being able to search, say "german" and "comedy", rather than "german" and "comedy" separately --- basic AND logic), date-stamping articles (when they were input, when they were read, when they were highlighted / forwarded), the ability to compile article lists to send via email, metadata exports, the ability to directly edit metadata (automated tools often get the basics wrong: title, author, date, etc.). Export of articles to a durable document format --- saving a single article to a PDF or ePub document, or multiple documents, etc., etc.

I've discussed most of this at length with Pocket's support for years, or rather, had some years ago and largely gave up the effort when there seemed to be no discernible movement in directions I'd encouraged.

Re: Pocket gets worse the more you use it (2019)

#60
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm with you as long as -- by design -- it consists of the plainest of plain text, and will migrate with me along my life. otherwise all the shine and chrome in the world won't make it superior to a filing cabinet and some free time. that's the difficulty point for all of these personal PIM type tools, they all have their own biased view on things like file format and 'touchability' of stored data in the (unannounced…

Agree with the plainest-of-plain-text approach. For me, the more structured the note system, the less it is used. I have a simple script called `n` that operates on a `notes.txt` on my NAS. If given arguments, it appends a timestamp and the arguments (verbatim) to the notes file. This serves as a super quick way to jot something down or log an action (`n determined Krylon adheres best for project X`, `n timestamp pla…

This is cool. I do something similar but with an IRC server that I run and expose over wireguard.

I have a channel where my various IOT devices tell me stuff, a channel where my algorithmic trading bot notifies me, and a reminders channel that basically serves as an append-only, always-synched memopad.

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