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> whats the complaint here Its dont mindlessly buy any new thing Apple puts out
why? whats wrong with people buying things that they like?
you seem to keep ignoring this key word:
mindlessly
I stopped buying new laptops (2020)
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Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)
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They really are. For example, I have a P53s (basically a renamed T590) that will randomly clock the i7 CPU it came with down to 400MHz under active use for extended periods of time, and I can't run anything that actually uses the cores on the i7 for more than a minute without hitting the 95 degree PROCHOT. The dedicated GPU also will clock itself down to 100MHz and shift the termal throttling range from 75 degrees to…
Have you changed your thermal paste?
Yes, but it only helps so much when the actual cooling solution is as unsuitable as it is.
Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)
#253ThinkPads are absolutely magic. Here's one I built for travelling: https://maxrozen.com/replacing-my-macbook-m1-with-thinkpad-t...
They really are. For example, I have a P53s (basically a renamed T590) that will randomly clock the i7 CPU it came with down to 400MHz under active use for extended periods of time, and I can't run anything that actually uses the cores on the i7 for more than a minute without hitting the 95 degree PROCHOT. The dedicated GPU also will clock itself down to 100MHz and shift the termal throttling range from 75 degrees to…
I unsubscribed from Lenovo at their Superfish debacle. Intercepting HTTPS communication with their own certificate? Now ain't that somethin'.
And the next up was when they had a special place in the laptop for their bundled bullshit, so that they persist EVEN IF you reinstall Windows on the lappy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Security_and_privacy_in...
Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)
#254Well, I'm retired, so I don't do much emails or zoom anymore. I do serious stuff now, like Cyberpunk, MFS and Hogwarts. So I need serious hardware, updated often. And I'm constantly on the move too, so serious hardware needs to fit into my backpack. Sorry, snowflake millennial applebooks not up for the task.
Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
why? whats wrong with people buying things that they like?
you seem to keep ignoring this key word: mindlessly
yes, because you haven't provided any evidence for these "mindless" consumers so i'm not going to try and debate that point (besides calling apple customers mindless and then saying thats why they have 3 trillion dollar market cap is nearing troll territory)
my point is:
if i (mindlessly perhaps?) concede the point that those consumers are mindlessly spending money on useless things... then so what? its their money, let them do what they want with it. why make value judgments?
Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)
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Upgradeable hardware sounds great in theory but doesn’t work in real life, just like PCs you configure it once and it will be that HW until it is obsolete for your purpose.
> just like PCs you configure it once and it will be that HW until it is obsolete for your purpose. Nearly every PC I own has had its disk replaced at least once, and many have more RAM than they started with; both of these massively extend their useful lifespan.
RAM, storage, and GPU upgrades are great.
Unfortunately CPU upgrades often require a new socket/motherboard.
Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)
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Upgradeable hardware sounds great in theory but doesn’t work in real life, just like PCs you configure it once and it will be that HW until it is obsolete for your purpose.
> Upgradeable hardware sounds great in theory but doesn’t work in real life, just like PCs you configure it once and it will be that HW until it is obsolete for your purpose. This isn't really the case for many folks out there. If I get a better CPU, the previous one might go to one of my homelab servers (consumer hardware). The same goes for motherboards, that's how I got a second homelab server (bought a mobo with…
I think you can often make a similar hand-me-down argument for non-upgradable (or minimally upgradable) hardware as well.
For example, obsolete thin client PCs can be repurposed as home servers or control systems. With a USB GPIO interface they can even do Raspberry Pi-like things.
Apple makes it harder since you may fall out of the 7-ish year macOS security patch window, but you can often install Linux or NetBSD if you plan to connect to the internet.
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So if framework can let you reuse the "shell" for 2-3 upgrade cycles until they have to change the motherboard, that's a lot better than having to buy an entire new laptop. It's not about keeping the same form factor forever, that's unrealistic. It's about reducing the amount of stuff you have to buy for each upgrade. Opening and closing stuff is realistic, if it's easy. I've opened and upgraded various components of…
>> So if framework can let you reuse the "shell" for 2-3 upgrade cycles I badly want the framework laptop idea to succeed - the idea of re-using your old laptop battery as a battery bank when you upgrade, that's just brilliant. The idea of taking your old motherboard and sticking it in a slim case that bolts to the vesa mount on the back of your monitor, beautiful. However, it's far more expensive that just buying a…
My framework (latest revision i5 DIY edition) is lighter than my wife’s maxed out M1 MBA. She has 16gb of RAM and 2tb of storage, and it cost $2500 with taxes and shipping. I have the latest i5 DIY edition and I forwent everything (charger, RAM, storage). I got the fastest 2tb m2 drive supported and the fastest 64gb of RAM supported on Amazon. Total cost with taxes and shipping for everything was $1250.
My framework compiles the linux kernel faster than her MBA and lasts all day on a single charge. I did spend an enjoyable afternoon dialing things in, although I know not everyone would enjoy that. I wouldn’t recommend a linux laptop to anyone who doesn’t understand init systems and how to manage config files.
They’re both great laptops, but with different target markets. Let people enjoy things!
Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)
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If productivity is so important, why are people using laptops at all? Desktop processors are faster.
If you just work in one location only, sure. I work from home, the office, coffee shop. When Im at home I often like to code from the couch rather than the home office. Laptops add flexibility. I like their middle ground of flexibility and performance. I’m also one of those “weird” people that don’t use an external monitor. And yet I’m still just as productive, probably more so, than most of my coworkers.
I like having two large monitors and a desktop-style "mechanical" keyboard, but there's absolutely a benefit to having a full productive work environment with you, with your data and work in progress, anywhere you might want to work - even if you're not online. And when you're in an office (or home office) environment, you just plug in and continue from where you left off.
A high-end MacBook Pro may not be cheap, but it packs some serious mobile compute power along with good battery life.
Re: I stopped buying new laptops (2020)
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So you buy a new laptop every year? What do you do with your old one? Throw it away? Or sell it? If you're selling it who do you think is buying it? You do realise most people don't need the fastest processor, an 18 hour battery life, thunderbolt 4 or WiFi 6 And better screens and lighter weight are relative. If I upgrade my 10 year old laptop to a 5 year old laptop I'm still realising those gains. Next year a better…
Well in 5 years I expect most dev work will be done in VR collaboratively with remote teams, w multiple virtual screens and AI assistance. Another world. Laptops and cell phones will be gathering dust with the desktops. Things change fast. Remember the world without the iPhone? That was 16 years ago. So when you talk about using a 5 year old laptop to save a few dollars it just doesn’t make sense. You can listen to m…
How about we save that $1,200 and donate it to something like Rainforest Alliance instead?