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When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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It might not be as much of a problem in the US, but it is a real pain in the ass people have to contend with, for example, in Russia. I've seen it myself. Apple is enforcing US sanctions against some Russian companies, which means they can't have an iOS app. At all. I heard stories about how a sanctioned bank would load some kind of shadily signed copy of its app onto people's iPhones in branches. For Android, that s…

This sounds like a good thing; the sanctions are working as intended.

>This sounds like a good thing; the sanctions are working as intended.

Whether the effect is "good" depends on if you think someone's device should serve its user or some government.

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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Is that practical though? Apps could just accept that and break. Food delivery app could show suggestions from the fake island, social media app could let your friends know you’re 6383km away, calculator app might switch to local currency conversion, etc.

just put some warnings like "by selecting this option this application won't be able to access X, therefore some applications might not work properly".

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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I thought of this years ago and even tried implementing this but my knowledge that time was very limited. So eventually I gave up.

I think before android implemented their permission system, os like Xiaomi’d implemented their permissions by feeding fake data to the app in case user reject a permission.

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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You’re celebrating the possibility that EU regulation will remove Apple’s ability to enforce good user experience?

Apple doesn't get to dictate what constitutes a good user experience. Especially for me - that is my prerogative and mine alone. So yes, I will be extremely happy with it. This opens doors to all kinds of software that can compete with one another, and if I don't like it, I can simply uninstall it myself.

If open doors did a better job of UX than apple, then you would have been using Android instead of iOS in the first place

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post #211

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> We're reviewing your app, not theirs, so what they can do is irrelevant rules for thee but not for me Apple has never been fair with its review, sadly. > I would expect Apple's response to be "change it back". Companies should not have to bend over to apple's whims just to get their software in end user hands. Hopefully upcoming EU regulation will reign apple's overreach in a bit.

You’re celebrating the possibility that EU regulation will remove Apple’s ability to enforce good user experience?

No one is forcing you to install anything you don't want to. The only thing I want is having the ability to install anything I want to. If you don't want to install those things the solution is simple: Don't. You don't need Apple to make that decision for you.

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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post #211

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> We're reviewing your app, not theirs, so what they can do is irrelevant rules for thee but not for me Apple has never been fair with its review, sadly. > I would expect Apple's response to be "change it back". Companies should not have to bend over to apple's whims just to get their software in end user hands. Hopefully upcoming EU regulation will reign apple's overreach in a bit.

Or (1) is: it’s impossible to create codified rules that have no false negatives and no false positives and we’re smart enough not to act like it’s possible. You know, this is how almost every rule system on the planet operates. Ultimately there’s an arbiter whose job is to look at the totality of the case.

A better response would be: "Thank you for making us aware, we will revisit their evaluation or update the guidelines" (and then they would actually do so)

This isn't what's happening though. If you're a big app you get to do whatever you want, and if you're small then you have to do as you're told.

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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I used to share this sentiment until I offered similar to customers and it was rarely used beyond a quick glance to almost immediate, ‘I really need to see my x here to have a better sense of it…’

I found that people just generally lacked imagination for the most part and screenshots coupled with quick videos and/or demos did enough to incentivize them onto installing/evaluating using their environment.

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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post #257

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Or (1) is: it’s impossible to create codified rules that have no false negatives and no false positives and we’re smart enough not to act like it’s possible. You know, this is how almost every rule system on the planet operates. Ultimately there’s an arbiter whose job is to look at the totality of the case.

A better response would be: "Thank you for making us aware, we will revisit their evaluation or update the guidelines" (and then they would actually do so) This isn't what's happening though. If you're a big app you get to do whatever you want, and if you're small then you have to do as you're told.

That would not be a better solution because it would entail either “solid” rules that are actually always fluctuating and/or people having prior assessments overturned after the fact.

As opposed to… humans working through a specific situation for a specific solution?

Re: When an app asks for permissions, it should have a “feed fake data” option

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WhatsApp has always done this (to my knowledge). Phone numbers -> name resolution is done using your contact list. At least last time I checked. Usernames are not given much weight in the UI--there's no guarantee that my username reflects who I really am. Feels rightly more suspicious IMO to see a message from an unknown number than from "~Elon Musk". I believe this happens regardless of whether the app has contact p…

> Phone numbers -> name resolution is done using your contact list. At least last time I checked. Nope. With contacts permission granted, unknown numbers turn into ~names (per user's own profile) automatically. When you revoke the permission, the ~name is hidden to punish you. > [...] there's no guarantee that my username reflects who I really am. Feels rightly more suspicious IMO to see a message from an unknown num…

> Would you know whether to trust elonmusk@twitter.io, without looking it up?

I would hate to dismiss someone for a troll only to realize they are not the real elon musk

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