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The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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Does anybody have experience with printers with Windows on ARM? How are the drivers situation?

Good question... personally I've been using hp laser printers over network for years and they work with everything I've used. Windows, Mac, Linux, Android phones and tablets without issue.

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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> imagine the battery life could be better under Linux based on my experience with Windows 11 on my own laptop God, I have experienced the exact opposite with Linux on laptops. Battery management is so bad I am considering moving to a Macbook.

I have had both experiences. The base system for Linux will be great for battery life (has been ruthlessly optimized for power savings by the biggest companies in the world), but some of the desktop software on top will brutalize your battery. I've experimented a lot (mainly on Fedora) and the biggest offenders are browsers, but also sometimes Gnome gets in a bad state and eats up a lot of CPU. It's often gjs eating…

> has been ruthlessly optimized for power savings by the biggest companies in the world

It has been ruthlessly optimized to save power for servers with greatly documented hardware structures.

It has not been optimized for Desktop OS, for Bluetooth, Sleep, WiFi, graphics card power saving etc.

I am a tab zero guy, for the record. I've been using computers since Windows 3, so I'm very sensitive towards intensive processes.

My wife can watch netflix on her (5 year old) Macbook for hours. I lose 13% battery life on one episode. I leave my laptop on sleep off the charger, and it is dead sleeping after a few hours. Linux users may hack their way to lower battery usage, but they still do not have it like Mac does.

You must simply leave it on the charger and turn it off when you are done. They are portable desktops.

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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May i ask why ? I don't use Macs because my day to day requires X86 and linux. But pounds for pounds if someone doesn't mind MacOs. The new Mx series of macs is just a better value than most high-end laptop theses days

Hey there, author here, for me personally it's about the windowing and file explorer. I spent 6 months trying to get used to it at a job, and even bought a M1 Macbook Pro last year to try, but I just couldn't find any combination of plugins and programs that made it feel right. I know, it's not a great reason, and I have no hate for anyone who yums my yuck, but at the end of the day it's what stops me from using MacO…

> I just couldn't find any combination of plugins and programs that made it feel right.

This: I recently moved to Linux. I was happy on Windows, because with the right combination of plugins and programs it felt just right + I could get everything I wanted hardware-wise.

Last time I checked, this is not possible on Mac. You get a good battery life, but I don't care about that - I'd rather have a Zen3 AMD but I'm happy with my current laptop.

With Linux, I don't have to fight my OS to get everything the way I want it to be, I can get a nice 4k OLED touchscreen on my Laptop with an internal LTE/5G module so I don't have to carry a phone just for getting online, etc.

BTW I use arch (lol) and I think I'll stay - mostly thanks to Arch because before that I didn't like Linux due to Ubuntu questionable choices that made me prefer Windows before.

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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May i ask why ? I don't use Macs because my day to day requires X86 and linux. But pounds for pounds if someone doesn't mind MacOs. The new Mx series of macs is just a better value than most high-end laptop theses days

I hate Apple, its products, and its ecosystem. The developer tools suck and macOS provides no advantage over windows other than an annoying user interface (if you're into that sort of thing)

It might be controversial, but I agree. The battery life can smooth out the issues for some people, but I have a plug everywhere I need.

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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May i ask why ? I don't use Macs because my day to day requires X86 and linux. But pounds for pounds if someone doesn't mind MacOs. The new Mx series of macs is just a better value than most high-end laptop theses days

>The new Mx series of macs is just a better value than most high-end laptop theses days ? I just recently bought a laptop and when I was comparing benchmarks, I didn't see Apple anywhere near the top of the list for CPU single or multithreaded. Not that I remotely care about CPU speeds, my number 1 focus was VRAM. Made it an easy decision since you basically pick something with Nvidia and high VRAM.

This is ARM. The cpu isn't the only thing. Memory and disk io are also very good. Also portable/laptop and desktop aren't the same. Mx also has good accelerators for x86 and encoding tasks, so it will depend on what you do.

Next gen AMD mobile is also looking very good. AMD 7000 series mobile is really nice, but battery life isn't quite there compared to Apple.

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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> imagine the battery life could be better under Linux based on my experience with Windows 11 on my own laptop God, I have experienced the exact opposite with Linux on laptops. Battery management is so bad I am considering moving to a Macbook.

Based on my experience, I can tell you the grass is not greener on the other side. Forced to use Mac for work, the previous Macbook Pro would lose charge _while plugged in_! The battery goes empty, it shuts off and I wait for it to recharge while off. They recently changed mine to an M1. Battery is much better than the previous generation and could be good, so long as you're not using it for anything. As soon as the…

Sounds like defective devices. Haven't had a single issue like that on any of our fleets. (mixed T2, M1, M2 devices, around 210 per fleet, around 7 fleets in 3 different countries)

Usage (varies over time...): software development (JetBrains, NetBeans, VSCode, Sublime, vim), google meet, slack, rancher desktop, docker desktop (being phased out), capture one, creative cloud, OBS, virtual desktops for local testing.

We have had self-discharge on HP ProBooks and EliteBooks but that was due to a bad USB-C implementation and was fixed with third-party chargers. Some older Dells had it too, but that was with dual power input (USB-C and classic barrel) and switching over to the legacy chargers didn't have that issue. Those run a mix of Windows and Linux.

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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May i ask why ? I don't use Macs because my day to day requires X86 and linux. But pounds for pounds if someone doesn't mind MacOs. The new Mx series of macs is just a better value than most high-end laptop theses days

I hate Apple, its products, and its ecosystem. The developer tools suck and macOS provides no advantage over windows other than an annoying user interface (if you're into that sort of thing)

I don't think the UI is annoying so much as different from what you may be used to. For me the annoyance is a few different key bindings. I like some parts of Windows, Linux (Gnome, KDE) and Mac... I have my Budgie desktop setup with a mix of the three.

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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I used to as well. But the M series just blows away every laptop - every Pc - I’ve ever had in the last 30 years… at some point it is an ideological proposition.

My position is everything but ideological: I will consider a Mac as soon as 1) the hardware offers an OLED touchscreen and internal LTE (everything else is secondary, with DDR5 I've even relaxed my requirements for actual ECC) 2) Linux can run as well as it does on my Thinkpad or Surface. Until then, I refuse to use a Mac, because I don't like the OS or the limited hardware choice.

I'm not big on touch myself. As for lte, usually just tether to my phone if needed, then I don't have to worry about after lte, etc.

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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With the current specs, pricing and usefulness this actually seems like a bad deal. Not a useless deal, and in the Windows space perhaps the only real deal, but a bad deal nonetheless.

What it can be is a good starting point for the industry to get moving. Not sure if this runs SystemReady firmware or if this is using Microsoft's UEFI stack, but either way it could finally get vendorland moving.

Re: The ARM powered ThinkPad x13s, as a developer

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May i ask why ? I don't use Macs because my day to day requires X86 and linux. But pounds for pounds if someone doesn't mind MacOs. The new Mx series of macs is just a better value than most high-end laptop theses days

Hey there, author here, for me personally it's about the windowing and file explorer. I spent 6 months trying to get used to it at a job, and even bought a M1 Macbook Pro last year to try, but I just couldn't find any combination of plugins and programs that made it feel right. I know, it's not a great reason, and I have no hate for anyone who yums my yuck, but at the end of the day it's what stops me from using MacO…

BTW you said " I don't have the 5G enabled version as it wasn't available when I bought mine, which I do regret, but if it's even half as good as it is on the SPX then it'll be totally fine. "

If you want to help to make 5G work, get in touch. I'd need to know if you have internal WWAN antennas- if not, you can add them. It's just about installing a M2 module. At the same time, you can replace the current 512G NVMe by a 2T like from Sabrent or WD SN730 (though the latter has some firmware issues when using ZFS due to the power states)

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