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Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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Related issue discussed here — How America Broke Its War Machine (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36571941)

The stinger discussion seems a sub-issue to the longer-term process of hollowing out US industrial production described in the foreign affairs article cited in the HN post

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Yeah, most people nowadays spend their time and energy on making serving html websites more and more complex. Complex missile systems? That's nothing compared to my vm running kube, running docker, running nextjs react emulating x86 and running kube again. Layers of more software surrounding software is the next big thing. Also microservices and LLMs.

This snark has nothing to do with the fact that clearances are a pain and the money isn't there to justify dealing with that nonsense. But sure, go off about JavaScript or whatever.

Working conditions are also a factor.

Good luck finding a SCIF that's as pleasant as a home office.

But yeah, salary is a big issue. Defense work (whether as a civil servant or a contractor) just doesn't pay as well as VC-backed software development.

Although in the current job market, I have to say that the median pay gap seems to be smaller.

Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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Like most hacker news it is are chair opinions presented as facts.

The man gave his informed opinion and assumption. He did not present it as fact. Take it for what it's worth, and don't project anything onto it that's not there.

Um, do you have a peer reviewed study to back up your claims?

Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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That's weird, the stinger is an amazing weapon which allows an infantry to take out an aerial threat, which is quite amazing.

I don't understand why they would not secure the production of that missile, or even replace it with something new.

It's not like they don't have enough money to cover all possible sorts of weapons that can exist.

Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, most people nowadays spend their time and energy on making serving html websites more and more complex. Complex missile systems? That's nothing compared to my vm running kube, running docker, running nextjs react emulating x86 and running kube again. Layers of more software surrounding software is the next big thing. Also microservices and LLMs.

This snark has nothing to do with the fact that clearances are a pain and the money isn't there to justify dealing with that nonsense. But sure, go off about JavaScript or whatever.

It's the opposite for javascript. Too much money is thrown at creating more and more nonsense.

Pick your poison: too little money at dealing with nonsense, or too much money on simple shit such that you spend all your time creating more and more layers of nonsense.

Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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> I've worked with engineering companies across Europe Europe isn't overflowing with gigantic tech companies nor defense contractors that would have what you're describing going back to the 1980s and 1990s. You can likely count them on one hand, given how few there are to begin with. There's a very big difference between knowing how something was made decades ago via schematic & component lists, and having to restart…

>Europe isn't overflowing with gigantic tech companies nor defense contractors that would have what you're describing going back to the 1980s and 1990s. That is completely delusional. >You can likely count them on one hand, given how few there are to begin with. Giant (or just large) Technology/Defense companies, a random sample: Siemens,Bosch,Phillips,Renaut,Airbus,VW,Thales,Thyssen Krupp,Rheinmetall,Saab,Dassault,Z…

BAE Systems also comes to mind

Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, most people nowadays spend their time and energy on making serving html websites more and more complex. Complex missile systems? That's nothing compared to my vm running kube, running docker, running nextjs react emulating x86 and running kube again. Layers of more software surrounding software is the next big thing. Also microservices and LLMs.

You know, I always thought a lot of the abstractions we add were just pure resume-driven nonsense too, but I guess it is better than having engineering minded people think up better ways to liquify other humans.

Having worked in defense, I don't recall anyone who was gleeful about killing others. It was all about keeping our families and neighbors safe.

If you're arguing against defense work in general, please consider the consequences of unilaterally disarming ourselves.

I want world peace. Unfortunately others seem to prefer expansion / exploitation of other nations.

Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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Sure, now imagine the backup system was discontinued twenty years ago and not tested since then.

Yup, and that is what should never have been allowed to happen in the first place. I can understand it for some backwater country struggling to feed its citizens, but NATO members? The United States ? Come on that's ridiculous.

Come on, don't expect perfection, that ain't typical human trait. The chain is always as weak as its weakest link and this is not different.

I presume there are good reasons why this and exactly this is happening (and probably not only at this manufacturer), if for nothing else than reducing costs... not maintaining something is always cheaper than maintaining it.

Re: Raytheon asks retirees for help making new Stinger anti-air missiles

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I think the issue here is more about finding someone with security clearance (labor shortage) rather than the know how. I would assume a company like Raytheon has all their processes documented and can quickly spin up a new manufacturing line for a legacy product.

Jobs with security clearances don't pay like they used to. People with technical backgrounds have little incentive to go down that path.

Along with that the OPM had a huge data breach a few years ago that leaked all the private data about everyone who had gone through the security background investigation.

I'm not about to endure that anal exam again, which also demanded time from my friends and neighbors and former employers, just so that the government can divulge it all.

I'd consider doing classified work again but the cloak and dagger aspect of the hiring process has got to go. In this day and age all they need is my name and SSN to find out anything they need to know about me.

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