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How the Tour de France became a $100M business

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Re: How the Tour de France became a $100M business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think for most countries you can watch it in the GCN app with a subscription.

There’s all kinds of funky geo restrictions for the tdf and a bunch of other races. The rights are a mess. In the US you need to use a vpn to watch the tdf on GCN+.

You can subscribe to Peacock for something like $7 a month and watch the TdF.

Re: How the Tour de France became a $100M business

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It's also important to highlight that the Tour de France is one of the most sexist sporting events still around. Cycling in general. The cycling establishment refuses to allow equality for women. The women's Tour didn't even exist before 2022. The current women's tour is a pale shadow of the men's. The women are not allowed to ride the same tour, they can only do 8 stages and almost none of the 8 correspond to the me…

> The women's Tour didn't even exist before 2022

That's not exactly true, there has been many variation of it before its return in 2022.

Jeannie Longo was (is?) a quite popular rider in France (despite doping affairs).

Re: How the Tour de France became a $100M business

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It's also important to highlight that the Tour de France is one of the most sexist sporting events still around. Cycling in general. The cycling establishment refuses to allow equality for women. The women's Tour didn't even exist before 2022. The current women's tour is a pale shadow of the men's. The women are not allowed to ride the same tour, they can only do 8 stages and almost none of the 8 correspond to the me…

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Women can complete a Tour de France. A man will likely be the best athlete in every conceivable category. But, I can’t think of a single sport neither sex could meaningfully compete in if normalised against their own sex.

Re: How the Tour de France became a $100M business

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post #14

My first thought was, wait, only $100M? If this was an American event it would be pumped up to a $2B affair with a theme song, videogame and plastic figurines.

Tour de France instead is full of EPO pumped cyclists. (see Armstrong, see Ullrich etc)

Get with the times old man.

Re: How the Tour de France became a $100M business

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It's also important to highlight that the Tour de France is one of the most sexist sporting events still around. Cycling in general. The cycling establishment refuses to allow equality for women. The women's Tour didn't even exist before 2022. The current women's tour is a pale shadow of the men's. The women are not allowed to ride the same tour, they can only do 8 stages and almost none of the 8 correspond to the me…

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And the women who ride represent the top 0.00001% of Earth's best humans in the best shape too! And their accomplishments outside any effort that the vast amount of people will ever do in a day of their lives.

Of course women can complete such races! We know this because they do it all the time. Not only that, they can even win! All we need to do is let them.

Take the RAAM (Race Across America, a gruelling almost 3000 mile race, nearly 5000km). Women are allowed to join in. This is even longer than the Tour. Not only have many women finished RAAM, in Leah Goldstein actually won. Not the women's category. The race outright. Period.

Or the Transcontinental Race (TRC, similar to RAAM but across Europe and without a support team, between 3000-4000km depending on the year). Not only have many women participated and completed it, in 2019 a Fiona Kolbinger won. And again, not the women's category. She won the 10 day race beating out the best man by 10 hours!

Both of these races show that not only can women complete the men's Tour, they could end up setting better times.

> But they will not, and cannot, EVER, be asked to ride what the men's teams do. It is just too harmfull. And impossible.

I hope that the clear evidence I gave you, the fact that women have done far more than this, and have beaten the world's best men while doing it, will make you reconsider your position in the future. It's not backed by evidence, it's just prejudice.

Re: How the Tour de France became a $100M business

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It's also important to highlight that the Tour de France is one of the most sexist sporting events still around. Cycling in general. The cycling establishment refuses to allow equality for women. The women's Tour didn't even exist before 2022. The current women's tour is a pale shadow of the men's. The women are not allowed to ride the same tour, they can only do 8 stages and almost none of the 8 correspond to the me…

Are women actually disallowed from competing in the men’s version?

Yes. According to UCI rules women are not allowed to compete in the men's race. And women are not allowed to organize a race with the same length as the men. Even just for themselves.

Even though women compete in races like RAAM (Race Across America, ~5000km) and the Transcontinental Race (TCR, ~3500km) and have actually beaten the men at them. Those aren't UCI races because they wouldn't be allowed to join if they were.

Re: How the Tour de France became a $100M business

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post #14

My first thought was, wait, only $100M? If this was an American event it would be pumped up to a $2B affair with a theme song, videogame and plastic figurines.

Tour de France instead is full of EPO pumped cyclists. (see Armstrong, see Ullrich etc)

If you think pro athletes in other sports are clean, I have news for you. If anything cycling is one of the few sports that takes anti-doping measures seriously

Re: How the Tour de France became a $100M business

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It's also important to highlight that the Tour de France is one of the most sexist sporting events still around. Cycling in general. The cycling establishment refuses to allow equality for women. The women's Tour didn't even exist before 2022. The current women's tour is a pale shadow of the men's. The women are not allowed to ride the same tour, they can only do 8 stages and almost none of the 8 correspond to the me…

Cycling is very sexist.

But to play devils advocate:

There has been a women's Tour de France for a while. It existed between 1984 and 2009. It struggled financially that whole time and was never profitable to the UCI. They canceled it in 2009 and brought it back in 2014 through 2021 as a single day event in Paris on the same days as the men's final day.

The UCI was been exploring bringing back a multi-stage women's event for at least the past several years but they had been unable to nail down a title sponsor. Apparently Skoda (the primary men's sponsor) was in early negotiations to sponsor it in 2020, for the 2021 season but then dropped out because of COVID uncertainty.

The break last year finally came because of Zwift (who financially performed well during Covid) offered to sponsor the event as a title sponsor. NBC did a lot to support and promote them as well. So we are seeing progress.

There was a lot of criticism around it only being 8 stages compared to the 24 of the mens, but most of the women actually said 8 stages was plenty because that is larger than any of their other tours (I think tied with Giro d'italia).

Progress is happening is my point.

With that being said, yes there is significant sexism still prominent in all sports, and cycling too.

The UCI is following the money, and to their credit they have been honest about that. They have routinely said, there isn't enough money in the women's sports and that's why they don't pursue it.

What we need is for the UCI to recognize the potential in women's cycling and to invest in it, knowing it might not be immediately profitable, but that over time it will gain popularity like the men's events and become profitable for them. Luckily Zwift seems to be willing to take this role for now. Time will tell. But the good news is that TdF Femmes (women's) is back for 2023. So maybe we at the beginning of what will eventually lead to a happy ending.

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