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Frozen heads and bodies await revival at this Arizona cryonics facility

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Re: Frozen heads and bodies await revival at this Arizona cryonics facility

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

glimshe wrote: post #8
fulltimeloser wrote: post #3

Is reanimating these bodies even viable? What kind of energy waste are we talking about for this fools errand?

As far as I know you need to be dead already to be put in these facilities. So to get them back, we'd have to find a way to resuscitate them after "defrosting". The point of these facilities is exactly to wait for the technology to get them back to life. One more interesting variation, while illegal, would be to freeze people when they are nearing death. If we could bring them back later, the scheme would have a chan…

I'd do what you propose tbh.

Re: Frozen heads and bodies await revival at this Arizona cryonics facility

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Post by MengerSponge »

cyanydeez wrote: post #15

Is Arizona the worst place for cryogenics?

No part of our planet is going to stay close to 77K without a staggering amount of effort.

Arizona is seismically stable, a low flood risk, and has abundant solar power. It's probably not a terrible choice. Mix in laxer regulations than you'd see in California, and an innate hucksterism? It's a great fit!

Re: Frozen heads and bodies await revival at this Arizona cryonics facility

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Post by MengerSponge »

unnamed76ri wrote: post #18
bitlax wrote: post #4

Final(?) resting place of FM-2030 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM-2030

Never heard of him but it seems he was wrong on pretty much everything. At least everything covered in that Wikipedia article.

Eh, his take on vegetarianism holds up.

Re: Frozen heads and bodies await revival at this Arizona cryonics facility

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Post by sschueller »

glimshe wrote: post #8
fulltimeloser wrote: post #3

Is reanimating these bodies even viable? What kind of energy waste are we talking about for this fools errand?

As far as I know you need to be dead already to be put in these facilities. So to get them back, we'd have to find a way to resuscitate them after "defrosting". The point of these facilities is exactly to wait for the technology to get them back to life. One more interesting variation, while illegal, would be to freeze people when they are nearing death. If we could bring them back later, the scheme would have a chan…

Isn't the definition of death not exactly clear and changing? A stopped heart for example used to mean dead but not anymore.

Re: Frozen heads and bodies await revival at this Arizona cryonics facility

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Post by cyanydeez »

MengerSponge wrote: post #22
cyanydeez wrote: post #15

Is Arizona the worst place for cryogenics?

No part of our planet is going to stay close to 77K without a staggering amount of effort. Arizona is seismically stable, a low flood risk, and has abundant solar power. It's probably not a terrible choice. Mix in laxer regulations than you'd see in California, and an innate hucksterism? It's a great fit!

Yeah, id probably still think a artic locale like Iceland would make more thermal sense.

But Arizona is definitely the kind of place where this type of scam is profitable. Until the maintenance bills come.

Re: Frozen heads and bodies await revival at this Arizona cryonics facility

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

cyanydeez wrote: post #25
MengerSponge wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No part of our planet is going to stay close to 77K without a staggering amount of effort. Arizona is seismically stable, a low flood risk, and has abundant solar power. It's probably not a terrible choice. Mix in laxer regulations than you'd see in California, and an innate hucksterism? It's a great fit!

Yeah, id probably still think a artic locale like Iceland would make more thermal sense. But Arizona is definitely the kind of place where this type of scam is profitable. Until the maintenance bills come.

Why? It doesn't take exponential effort to cool a space. It's linear.

The difference between Arizona and Iceland to get to cryo temperatures is a rounding error.

Re: Frozen heads and bodies await revival at this Arizona cryonics facility

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Post by codetrotter »

defrost wrote: post #19
bandrami wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

JFC that was horrifying

"I retired from modeling a long time ago. It’s time I retired from tech, too... Let's commit to losing me." ~ Lena Forsén

The comments section has a comment from the author confirming that the title is indeed a reference to the “Lena” photo.

> 1,655 words. Running total is 8,296 words. Title refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna .

https://qntm.org/lena#komment5fa3096561295

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Re: Frozen heads and bodies await revival at this Arizona cryonics facility

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Post by pxmpxm »

bandrami wrote: post #17
petters wrote: post #14

I'm afraid they would just end up something like this: https://qntm.org/lena

JFC that was horrifying

"MMAcevedo's demeanour and attitude contrast starkly with those of nearly all other uploads taken of modern adult humans, most of whom boot into a state of disorientation which is quickly replaced by terror and extreme panic. "

JFC indeed.

Re: Frozen heads and bodies await revival at this Arizona cryonics facility

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Post by zetalyrae »

hulitu wrote: post #10
Simulacra wrote: post #5

Until it runs out of money, that is. Reanimation is nowhere near viable but this facility will have to do something to keep those bodies frozen...or else.

Just wait till the janitor switches off the power switch. /s

It takes weeks for the liquid nitrogen in a dewar to boil off actually. And they're stored upside-down so the head defrosts last in that scenario.
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