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ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by svnt »

booleandilemma wrote: post #166
tomcam wrote: post #128

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> $1T industry Does that mean $1 trillion? If so, citation badly needed.

Surely that's sarcasm. Students don't have money to pay for anything.

I mean they are buying degrees for six figures.

If it meant good grades without doing the work and it became socially acceptable it is ~150 million global tertiary students times 10 months of the year times whatever that is worth on a monthly basis. Maybe only $150B ARR right now at $100/mo (textbooks to read cost more than this, but you don’t need them anymore), so not $1T on students but still massive, and if you capture them in pre/early career it is easily $1T in ARR once your queue deepens.

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Post by choppaface »

svnt wrote: post #261
booleandilemma wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely that's sarcasm. Students don't have money to pay for anything.

I mean they are buying degrees for six figures. If it meant good grades without doing the work and it became socially acceptable it is ~150 million global tertiary students times 10 months of the year times whatever that is worth on a monthly basis. Maybe only $150B ARR right now at $100/mo (textbooks to read cost more than this, but you don’t need them anymore), so not $1T on students but still massive, and if you c…

And Coursera opened at a $6b market cap.

So how do we value ChatGPT then? Should it be as valuable as Coursera, Udacity etc put together? Should it be that PLUS Harvard Deloitte and ServiceNow? Or since they have no major moat should it be Zero? It’s hype of this scale that can rationalize unprecedented figures.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/31/coursera-ipo-cour-begins...

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Post by choppaface »

tomcam wrote: post #255
booleandilemma wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely that's sarcasm. Students don't have money to pay for anything.

Dopey me, should’ve caught that

But that’s part of the point: ChatGPT is so hyped it bends perception. The OP article after all quoted a Google employee who has nothing to do with ChatGPT.

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Post by gumballindie »

aftbit wrote: post #236

People are so short sighted. If we predict that inflation will be 6.8%, then it comes in at 6.7%, the market goes straight up, even though the numbers are basically the same. If a new exciting company is growing like crazy, but then has a few months of negative growth, we assume it's dead? Chill out people - real life takes time to resolve. You can't live on the month-to-month business cycle.

> real life takes time to resolve.

Openai losing users and people waking up from a toxic marketing campaign _is_ life resolving.

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Post by nimbleal »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #252
CydeWeys wrote: post #126

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I see people using ChatGPT, Bard, etc. to answer questions on mailing list threads. It'll be a long thread of thoughtful human written responses, and then someone will come along and say "I asked Bard what it thought about this issue, here's the response". And then out comes five paragraphs of text that I might as well not even bother reading, as it often contains falsehoods that I have to waste time looking up and d…

As a fiction author, I don’t feel gpt writes good fiction at all. It’s a non-fiction tool, just one that lies to you constantly. Half of what it says is a lie…

Yes, it’s terrible at writing fiction. Cliché laden, dull, repetitive prose and somehow, in terms of actual content, it never generates anything of interest. Its desire to always wrap things up into a happy ending within a couple of paragraphs also means it’s almost incapable of generating conflict. At best it can generate teenage fan fiction — and bad teenage fan fiction, at that.

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Post by theknocker »

treeman79 wrote: post #97
crazygringo wrote: post #39

The culprit seems to be: > " Chollet thinks he knows what’s going on: summer vacation... a significant portion of students using ChatGPT to do their homework. It’s one of the most common uses for ChatGPT, according to Sam Gilbert, a data scientist and author. " https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chatgpt-suddenly-isn-t-boomin...

Mentioned ChatGPT to my teenager a few months ago. Huge percentage of the teenagers at her school are using it to do their assignments. Later I her to read a few chapters of her book for summer reading. When I quizzed her it, she got it right. Found out later she used ChatGPT to give her a summary of the first chapters. She did not enjoy having first weeks of summer without a phone. School is having to change all ass…

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Post by mrkramer »

bagasme wrote: post #246
mrkramer wrote: post #207

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>Googling a problem gives you all kinds of results, which you then need to dig through and understand in order to evaluate whether there's something that can be adapted to your use case. Exactly; search engines give you those blue links and short descriptions of the search results which are not enough for you to grasp what is the website about. I think what search engines need to do is tackle the complexity of going…

Yikes! I mean ChatGPT-style search engine is more fit for noobs and the faint-of-heart people (the ones with nothing in the world for them IMO).

I've tried ChatGPT inside Microsoft's Bing search engine and it is pretty good so far. It definitely saved me time that I would lose clicking on search results and skimming through websites looking for useful information.

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Post by qbxk »

as we all know by now, ChatGPT is just a language model.

For most of human history we've used language capability as a way to assess intelligence. It feels like common sense that "If it speaks, it must be intelligent." We have all at some point fallen for the fallacy that "If it speaks well, or poorly, that must be a reflection of its intelligence."

But a language model flips the tables on this on this ancient reflex. It's great at using language! But it's as dumb as a river rock. That's something new and will take us all some time to get used to.

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Post by rchaud »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #45

I was using ChatGPT this week for help with a back injury I suddenly sustained. Because I don't have insurance I was looking for options as to what I should do and what it'd cost and where to go etc. I did get a suggestion that I followed up on for an in person visit. But my big beef with it was that it kept adding disclaimers: "I am not a doctor", "My current knowledge is up to September 2021, insurance and hospital…

I can't think of a topic that would need this disclaimer more than medical advice provided by a language model.

Out of curiosity, were you able to find a free clinic or someplace where a real healthcare provider could assess the injury?

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