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Re: TV piracy groups formally adopt h264

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought that rar was used so that the capper could split the archive across multiple files and begin uploading the content before the show was over.

I believe it's for non-torrent sharing methods such as NNTP (since you can't, I guess, upload hundreds of megabytes of data to a newsgroup in a single post).

That's why you use yenc. Personally, I believe it's to do with now bypassed limitations of parity programs.

Re: TV piracy groups formally adopt h264

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I wondered why I was suddenly seeing x264 instead of AVI for TV files. I thought it had to do with the lockers going down.

Well, in a way this will make things even worse for the CopyNazis. No longer will people have to convert from AVI to watch on their tablets and phones.

Re: TV piracy groups formally adopt h264

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Personally, I find it fascinating that this band of merry pirates is so organized, so rules-based. Out of a purely anarchic environment, they've managed to accept this kind of self-discipline. If only web-standards committees had that sort of power...

It's because there's a huge amount of competition in the "scene" to get first and best copies of a show. In order to declare a "winner" in the competitions, there have to be rules.

Re: TV piracy groups formally adopt h264

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They are so slow, anime groups seems most innovative and use Hi10P ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles ) since almost a year.

Anime groups can afford to be much more aggressive about technology because they have special requirements that older tech doesn't allow (styled softsubs, multiple audio/sub tracks, ordered chapters), and because their audience is overwhelming using high-performance PCs because nothing else commonly supports those technologies. In fact, modern anime releases are basically targeted towards one platform (Windows PC with MPC-HC and CCCP[1] without DXVA) with coincidental support for Mplayer on Linux because it uses the same basic open source codecs and splitters. Hi10p is even more aggressive - when they started releasing Hi10p releases, the only decoder that supported it was ffdshow alphas, and even now software support for it is very sparse. Hardware support is non-existent, and will continue to be so unless a mainstream content provider like Apple decides to start releasing Hi10p video content.

On the other hand, people who watch non-anime scene releases are much more likely to use mobile devices, set-top boxes and other A/V equipment that relies on hardware decoding support. One of the major reasons that scene releases are standardized is so that they'll play on a wide variety of hardware, and this results in a much more conservative approach than anime groups. The main reason they're moving forward with this change is because H.264 has acceptable support in hardware (primarily in the MP4 container, MKV support is awful) and XviD is really showing its age compared to modern H.264 encoders like x264.

[1] - Media Player Classic - Home Cinema (http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net) and the Combined Community Codec Pack (http://www.cccp-project.net)

Re: TV piracy groups formally adopt h264

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They are so slow, anime groups seems most innovative and use Hi10P ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles ) since almost a year.

For the longest time, xvid was the standard for these guys. They still have standards requiring that all releases be packaged into multipart RAR files, "in 15, 20, or multiples of 50 MB". In other words, they are kind of inflexible and hidebound. Anime fansubbing groups, in contrast, have no common standards except for -- to paraphrase the IETF motto -- rough consensus and regular releases. If some group wants to enc…

I remember reading years ago (possibly on Wikipedia's Scene article) that the multipart RAR thing was for faster distribution among the network of servers: Other servers can start downloading parts before the current server has finished fetching everything.

There's many layers of hierarchy (from the release groups themselves down to the hoopleheads at the bottom) so it speeds up releases significantly.

Re: TV piracy groups formally adopt h264

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought that rar was used so that the capper could split the archive across multiple files and begin uploading the content before the show was over.

It seems problematic to set up and could cause nukes for incomplete releases with the slightest mistake or network failure on the capper's part (with the accompanying displeasure of sites' admins). And he would have to do everything on his own -- the capping, the encoding, the packaging. Also, I don't know how hard the tv groups are pushing for early release but usually the content is uploaded to the group's server a…

Respectfully I think I am right:

"I don't know how hard the tv groups are pushing for early release"

Why do you think they are called racers? "Early release" as you call it is the reason for the season...

"He would have to do everything on his own -- the capping, the encoding, the packaging."

This does not make any sense to me. Who would have to X?

Re: TV piracy groups formally adopt h264

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They are so slow, anime groups seems most innovative and use Hi10P ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles ) since almost a year.

A lot of devices don't support High Profile, let alone Hi10P. Frankly, getting video in Hi10P sounds more annoying than 'innovative'.

They also don't usually support softsubs or multiple audio tracks, which are completely standard in anime releases. As a result of that, the anime community pretty much gave up on device compatibility when they left XviD behind. People who really want mobile versions tend to transcode, resize and "harden" the subs, but that's a lot of work.

That said, I agree that "annoying" is the right word in this case. The Hi10p switch has caused a lot of problems even for people with PCs - software support took ages to reach acceptable levels, and it requires a lot more CPU power on the decoding side for a very minor quality increase. They could've waited 6-12 months before pushing for wider Hi10p adoption, and I think it would've gone much more smoothly.

Re: TV piracy groups formally adopt h264

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Finally, pirates are using ISO standards instead of gross hacks like DivX. RAR is still lame and using the tag "HDTV" to refer to SD downsamples of HD sources is still misleading, though.

RAR is lame? Are you saying this from the viewpoint of a consumer or from the viewpoint of someone intimately involved in the scene?

Re: TV piracy groups formally adopt h264

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post #3

They are so slow, anime groups seems most innovative and use Hi10P ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles ) since almost a year.

Yeah. It was the same thing when bittorrent became big. It was the anime groups that were the first big adopters. Mainstream releases took a lot longer.
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