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Re: Paint Drip People

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A particular type of essay that HN is an absolute sucker for — an awesome type of person that you're supposed to identify with. Paint Drip Person. T-Shaped Person. Paul Graham has also written a bunch of these, so maybe it's just in the DNA of the site. I guess the classical example of this is the renaissance man, but that at least required different fields like art and science and not different kinds of programming.

It's a certain kind of content. I might invoke Godin's Law (not Godwin, Godin): the evocation of an idea feels better and more significant if you leave it extremely vague, and draw no useful conclusions from it :) Put any of this stuff into practice and you run into practical issues, and it's way less interesting. I'm definitely a paint drip dude and it's not at all useful. In the absence of a team of cultists to do…

I have two friends. One lives by “Don’t be a drip, ‘real artists ship’”. He’s got ~20 products shipped. The other friend drips hard, with a comparable number of projects abandoned over a comparable timeframe.

Both spent about two decades living in near poverty and only recently experienced financial success.

I don’t believe telling either of them to switch strategies would have been helpful.

We could infer from these two cases that “don’t give up” is the unifying factor, and that that’s helpful advice. I think history is littered with counter examples. Giving up may not be psychologically healthy (or advisable), but advising somebody “don’t give up” can still be cruel and unhelpful. Resisting the urge to give advice may be kindest.

I suspect most advice broadcast on the internet does more to inflate the author’s reputation than to help the audience. Even if this is true, it doesn’t rule out the possibility of a small quantity of exceptional advice having an outsized positive impact that outweighs the over abundance of reputation inflating advice.

Re: Paint Drip People

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Yes, these post-hoc explanations for why someone is successful allow us to indulge in fantasies of success without providing any actionable advice that has actual empirical evidence.

I still get a kick out of the fact that the person that came up with Nerd Merit Badges is the same person that came up with the term fullstack and almost nobody mentions it or even gets the original meaning of the term.

That is very interesting - found your older post pointing to https://web.archive.org/web/20110210194715/http://forge38.co...

So actually a full-stack developer, according to the person who coined the term, is not just someone who can do backend and front-end, but you need to have the design (and business) chops too.

Re: Paint Drip People

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Why such a needlessly pessimistic view? I think this "paint drip" imagery is a cute way to describe the characteristics of success described therein.

Well let’s say I find a super successful restaurant that makes its burritos one way. I’m amazed. I’m inspired. I write a book about it and describe the specific ways that they do things that make them successful. Then a few years later, I find another super successful burrito restaurant. They make it completely opposite to what I wrote in my book. It turns out the reasons for success runs deeper than the superficial…

> For every successful person that reads a book a week, there’s probably 5 that just laze on the couch.

I understand that not every successful person reads a book a week (or s/a book a week/any other "productive" habit often bandied about in articles like this), but I really doubt that very many successful people habitually laze on the couch.

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Thought-provoking metaphor. Upon reflection, I think the article emphasizes the wrong aspect of this -- the drip part itself -- at the expense of the more interesting elements (the length and breadth of the horizontal line, the amount of paint, etc). CURIOSITY seems to be the horizontal line; i.e. the person's latent curiosity about things, domains, areas, etc, and the urge to explore/discover is what drives the hori…

Self replying with another thought: I always find it remarkable when really young founders (like college-age) are successful, because they lack so much understanding about the world, business, people, etc. BUT they likely have a great deal more curiosity and drive than older folks. Maybe there's some sweet spot, where founders have enough real-world experience to understand how the world works, and how to build thing…

I think that there is also a certain (to a large degree realistic) pessimism that comes with age. It's not just that younger people are less risk averse (though they are), it's that they are less likely to think that they will fail.

Lots of successful startups could have a post-hoc analysis of "Holy shit we were stupid, but we worked hard and got lucky"

Or, as a friend of mine put it, inexperienced people don't succeed because they know something that experienced people do, they succeed because they don't know something that experienced people do.

Re: Paint Drip People

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Thought-provoking metaphor. Upon reflection, I think the article emphasizes the wrong aspect of this -- the drip part itself -- at the expense of the more interesting elements (the length and breadth of the horizontal line, the amount of paint, etc). CURIOSITY seems to be the horizontal line; i.e. the person's latent curiosity about things, domains, areas, etc, and the urge to explore/discover is what drives the hori…

Self replying with another thought: I always find it remarkable when really young founders (like college-age) are successful, because they lack so much understanding about the world, business, people, etc. BUT they likely have a great deal more curiosity and drive than older folks. Maybe there's some sweet spot, where founders have enough real-world experience to understand how the world works, and how to build thing…

You hear about the young founders because they are the exception. Research shows most successful ones are in their late 40s. I also take issue with curiosity changing over time. If anything, it's naiveté. Young founders charge ahead and a few get lucky.

Re: Paint Drip People

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Self replying with another thought: I always find it remarkable when really young founders (like college-age) are successful, because they lack so much understanding about the world, business, people, etc. BUT they likely have a great deal more curiosity and drive than older folks. Maybe there's some sweet spot, where founders have enough real-world experience to understand how the world works, and how to build thing…

I think that there is also a certain (to a large degree realistic) pessimism that comes with age. It's not just that younger people are less risk averse (though they are), it's that they are less likely to think that they will fail. Lots of successful startups could have a post-hoc analysis of "Holy shit we were stupid, but we worked hard and got lucky" Or, as a friend of mine put it, inexperienced people don't succe…

Reminds me of Pixel (the cat from Heinlein novels and others), who teleports and travels through walls because the cat simply does not know such feats are impossible.

Re: Paint Drip People

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I still get a kick out of the fact that the person that came up with Nerd Merit Badges is the same person that came up with the term fullstack and almost nobody mentions it or even gets the original meaning of the term.

That is very interesting - found your older post pointing to https://web.archive.org/web/20110210194715/http://forge38.co... So actually a full-stack developer, according to the person who coined the term, is not just someone who can do backend and front-end, but you need to have the design (and business) chops too.

Yep! There’s a lot of cargo-culting in the valley for sure.

It’s deep cuts like this that make hn worth the read. Cheers!

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