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Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by shostack »

2rsf wrote: post #576
stevefan1999 wrote: post #252

In case if you want some Evernote alternatives, here's my shortlist: 1. Trilium Notes: https://github.com/zadam/trilium 2. AppFlowy: https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/AppFlowy 3. Affine: https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE 4. Joplin: https://github.com/laurent22/joplin 5. Dendron: https://github.com/dendronhq/dendron (requires VSCode) As a programmer I liked Dendron the most but if you want it to be packed with absol…

Which one is the most future proof? I recently tried Organice, even though it has a different feature set, because is is basically future proof even if the hosting company tops functioning

Obsidian is a bunch of markdown files.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by sesota »

coffeeling wrote: post #424
stevefan1999 wrote: post #252

In case if you want some Evernote alternatives, here's my shortlist: 1. Trilium Notes: https://github.com/zadam/trilium 2. AppFlowy: https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/AppFlowy 3. Affine: https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE 4. Joplin: https://github.com/laurent22/joplin 5. Dendron: https://github.com/dendronhq/dendron (requires VSCode) As a programmer I liked Dendron the most but if you want it to be packed with absol…

Dendron is no longer developed, and in any case is intended for a very different use case than Evernote. Amplenote might be a better drop-in replacement.

Amplenote looks really promising.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by gnz11 »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #496
prepend wrote: post #332

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I think it’s an example of trying to charge for things that are low value, and, more importantly, low cost. Storing text files in the cloud is super cheap. And having an app to easily edit those files is super cheap. It was free in the beginning because this is a “classic” software problem where it’s cheap to develop and close to $0 marginal dollars for a user. When Evernote started charging for dumb features and loc…

> I think Evernote’s problem is that it should have just stayed a 1-2 person company. They ramped up costs, then pushed up prices, and customers mehhed out. This is the problem with most VC funded startups. You have millions invested into an app that really is a glorified CRUD service that somehow ends up with a team of 500 engineers, and 3000 more employees. When it comes time to actually make a profit, these compan…

> You have millions invested into an app that really is a glorified CRUD service that somehow ends up with a team of 500 engineers, and 3000 more employees.

You are just looking at the tip of the iceberg. Being essentially a CRUD app doesn’t mean it is less complex than other software. This is similar to saying “Facebook is just a web site, I could make that over a weekend.”

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by moneywoes »

albert_e wrote: post #172
goldpizza44 wrote: post #71

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This is what virtual Credit Cards are for... Each site gets a separate number and I can expire them as needed. Unfortunately, if they get popular vendors will figure out a way to detect and refuse.

BofA had a online tool (Flash based I think) to generate and manage virtual CC numbers linked to your real card. When Flash was sunset -- they gave a BS reasoning and shutdown this tool as well whithout making an effort to rebuild / replace. I am surprised there was no big backlash from customers given the increasing online fraud and privacy/security consciousness of banking users. Which (US) banks currently offer th…

Does Apple Pay work like this?

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by I_am_tiberius »

ShortCipher5 wrote: post #547
rehevkor5 wrote: post #534

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I'm wondering what happy mediums might exist between the note-taking world, the wiki world, and the collaborative office document world. Office-oriented tools like Nextcloud or Collabora seem to be oriented to classic Microsoft Word / Google Docs style documents... not as simple as Markdown or as web-friendly as a wiki page. The note taking tools everyone's talking about don't seem to support collaborative editing. I…

Disclaimer, I'm on AFFiNE's team. But I really think you can check us out as I think we can cover those boxes for you. We offer real-time collaborative editing which also works offline. We deal with all those conflict issues for you. And though we aren't file-based, we do offer various export options such as MD, HTML, PDF and images. We expect to have the latest Docker version and real-time collaboration available to…

Are there plans to make it e2ee?

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by I_am_tiberius »

thecodrr wrote: post #140

Even though Evernote is a competitor, it's still sad to see such a giant in the note-taking space go down so badly. Of course, I am still skeptical about this news and whether its actually true since no source has been linked. Aside: I work (and lead the development) on Notesnook, an end-to-end encrypted, open source alternative to Evernote. Since we are based in Pakistan, our pricing has been really competitive at j…

How is it possible to offer unlimited storage?

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #434
tempestn wrote: post #209

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Exactly. I would have happily paid them 10 bucks a month in inflation-adjusted 2012 dollars forever if they'd just maintained the apps and kept them up to date. Instead they focused on adding features few people wanted, and then completely rewrote the apps in Electron, resulting in a slow experience that was (and still is, years later) missing multiple core note-taking features, and is increasingly unreliable. I kept…

Electron is the single biggest scourge to end users since Windows ME.

I'm not sure whether electron itself is bad, or if it's the fact that any company who would use it has made an executive decision to cut corners and sacrifice user happiness for development velocity (Microsoft/VS Code excepted, mostly). Any such company would put out a bad product no matter what. Electron might just be the common subpar solution that these types of companies all gravitate towards; without it, they'd probably still build bad apps, but in a million different frameworks instead of just one.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by mindcrash »

They don't. And it's quite simple, and to be expected (because after a acquisition this happens every. single. time).

Bending Spoons only bought the assets, code, architecture and brand. They laid off the entire staff because ALL of Evernotes operations are taken over by Bending Spoons.

The same thing will, for example, also more than likely happen when finally Adobe manages to merge with Figma. Why keep the Figma staff on payroll if you have more than capable staff yourself?

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by nicbou »

mesoman wrote: post #506
ghaff wrote: post #374

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As a founder you probably don’t get wealthy either and a lot aren’t really satisfied with a $150k/yr total comp/benefits for their successful lifestyle business.

As a co-founder, I'd say you can get wealthy or at least comfortable. But, we started with two people. At some point we needed funding. That put us on a track of angel investors, VC's, and a cycle acquisition, buyback, funding, acquisition, buyback, etc. As the techie guy, I found that tiring and distracting. When we changed from software as a product to SAAS, it got a lot less fun. When we grew to 2000 employees (mo…

It's really nice to hear something like that from someone who experienced it.

If you were back to two people with a promising idea, how would you do it this time?

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