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Re: Meta releases Intermediate Graphics Library

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Post by schappim »

sangnoir wrote: post #147
chmod775 wrote: post #127

That scene that says "Copyright ©Meta" is actually a CC-BY scene from Amazon Lumberyard.[1] I'm not sure rendering it entitles you to slap your own copyright notice on it while disrespecting the CC-BY. Further, the interface shown is just plain ImGui. That'd be as if I made an image viewer using off-the-shelf parts, displayed some other artist's work in it, then pretended I own the copyright to what my software now d…

If I take a picture of a Mickey Mouse(TM) figurine - I own the copyright to the photo. Disney will retain copyright to their model, but that doesn't mean they own the result of my work, even if its derivative.

Interestingly enough, the copyright on the 1928 movie “Steamboat Willie” – the short film that introduced the world to Mickey Mouse – will expire in 2024. That means the Steamboat-Willie-version of Mickey Mouse will enter the public domain.

TM != Copyright, but still interesting.

Re: Meta releases Intermediate Graphics Library

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Post by trinsic2 »

nine_k wrote: post #149
trinsic2 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know next to zero about rendering capabilities. But when I saw Meta | Release | Graphics Library. Given Facebook's history with data collection and the proprietary nature of their VR headset. I doubt they have any interest in open standards.

Facebook have released a bunch of good-quality open-source libraries and tools. Not just zstd, rocksdb, folly, flow, hhvm and other niche things, but also PyTorch and React , staples of two industries. Since they are honestly open source, they have been inspected a lot, and, if they included any data siphoning, that would be long known, and long since deleted. I don't share your skepticism.

Their technical achievements are not my domain. But I know behavior patterns, since Facebook's platform was built to harm peoples ability to choose for themselves, I consider it a blight on humanity. I doubt they have any interest in serving the common good. But I hear that you don't share my skepticism, time will tell.

Re: Meta releases Intermediate Graphics Library

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Post by ndesaulniers »

schappim wrote: post #151
sangnoir wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I take a picture of a Mickey Mouse(TM) figurine - I own the copyright to the photo. Disney will retain copyright to their model, but that doesn't mean they own the result of my work, even if its derivative.

Interestingly enough, the copyright on the 1928 movie “Steamboat Willie” – the short film that introduced the world to Mickey Mouse – will expire in 2024. That means the Steamboat-Willie-version of Mickey Mouse will enter the public domain. TM != Copyright, but still interesting.

"Not if we have anything to say about that!" ~ Disney Lawyers and Lobbyists anxious to extend copywriter protections again

Re: Meta releases Intermediate Graphics Library

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Post by syspec »

The top comment on that page sums it up:

DJTEK: The wording of this could be applied to virtually any library out there its so vague. The key features section is like a mixtape of the worlds graphic library descriptions greatest hits. Lol

Re: Meta releases Intermediate Graphics Library

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Post by Dalewyn »

schappim wrote: post #151
sangnoir wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I take a picture of a Mickey Mouse(TM) figurine - I own the copyright to the photo. Disney will retain copyright to their model, but that doesn't mean they own the result of my work, even if its derivative.

Interestingly enough, the copyright on the 1928 movie “Steamboat Willie” – the short film that introduced the world to Mickey Mouse – will expire in 2024. That means the Steamboat-Willie-version of Mickey Mouse will enter the public domain. TM != Copyright, but still interesting.

Steamboat Willie itself might enter the public domain, but good luck trying to use the specific rendition of Mickey Mouse. Disney's been using that rendition on stuff like t-shirts recently to effectively renew their IP rights, probably because the larger copyright is ending soon.

Re: Meta releases Intermediate Graphics Library

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Post by skissane »

ndesaulniers wrote: post #153
schappim wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly enough, the copyright on the 1928 movie “Steamboat Willie” – the short film that introduced the world to Mickey Mouse – will expire in 2024. That means the Steamboat-Willie-version of Mickey Mouse will enter the public domain. TM != Copyright, but still interesting.

"Not if we have anything to say about that!" ~ Disney Lawyers and Lobbyists anxious to extend copywriter protections again

The general consensus is that the current Congress is much less amenable to that lobbying than Congress was back in 1998, the last time US copyright terms were extended – and that Disney realises that, so they aren't seriously pursuing it this time around.

One reason is that supporters of the public domain are much better organised than in the 1990s, and their cause has become a lot more popular and mainstream. For example, Wikipedia is a household name with a lot of money (the Wikimedia Foundation has over US$200 million of cash and investments), and they would lobby and campaign hard against any such a proposal if it was being seriously pursued.

In the 1990s, you had the film, television, publishing and music industries all supporting copyright term extension, and no serious corporate opposition to it – I doubt most big tech companies would support copyright term extension, because they get no benefit from it (all of their own copyrighted works are much more recent), whereas public domain works are actually a resource they can use for their own purposes (zero copyright risk AI input)

Also: Disney was already unpopular with social conservatives in the 1990s, but they've arguably grown even more anti-Disney in the years since, plus the post-Trump GOP finds itself far beholden to its base than the 1990s GOP did – nobody in the contemporary GOP wants to vote for anything viewed as doing Disney's bidding, because they probably won't be forgiven. In the 1990s, they could be confident they would be.

Re: Meta releases Intermediate Graphics Library

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Post by sacnoradhq »

genmud wrote: post #3

Not trying to shit on anyone, but that screenshot reminds me of 1990s/early 2000's games. I'm sure there has been a ton of work that went into it, but having some better textures or highlighting the usability would go a long way. Just based on the screenshot, I am not sure that I would even bother to dig too deeply into the library.

The Utah teapot is never around when you need it.

Re: Meta releases Intermediate Graphics Library

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Post by skissane »

didntcheck wrote: post #140
zokier wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A rendering of a scene definitely is a work of its own has its own copyright, which is held by Meta. The scene is also attributed in the github repo license[1]. So the only problem here is that the Khronos post is missing the attribution.

I wouldn't be so certain. Under US law that may be false due to it lacking originality. For example, a photograph of a public domain painting is itself considered public domain [1]. This is not the same in all countries though, e.g. not the UK [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel... . [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Portrait_Gallery_and_...

I don't want to venture into the legal question, because I think it depends on the details of exactly what they changed compared to the original, and how much human creativity went into those changes, and I don't think we have those details.

But, most engineers/PMs/etc don't have a good understanding of copyright law – it wouldn't surprise me if the authors of that blog post just slapped "Copyright Meta" on it by default because they are used to doing that, and aren't thinking at all about technical legal questions of copyrightability. Furthermore, it isn't really their job to think about those questions – that's what companies employ lawyers for – and I imagine the lawyers likely think that asserting copyright over the uncopyrightable has minimal negative consequences, whereas failing to make that assertion can work against them if it ever becomes the basis of a lawsuit, so better just tell the employees to slap a copyright notice on everything.

I once contributed (on my employer's time) to a FAANG open source project (I'll avoid saying which project or FAANG because I don't want to publicly embarrass anybody). I added a brand new file which I'd written from scratch; I copied the copyright/license notice from one of the existing files to the new one, but I changed it from "Copyright [FAANG]" to "Copyright [MyEmployer]". The FAANG employee who ran the open source project objected to that – "why did you change the copyright, everything in this project is copyright by [FAANG]"– the project didn't have a CLA, by the way. I told them they were wrong about the law, and if they didn't believe me, ask their own lawyers – and maybe they did talk to them, because they dropped the objection and ended up merging it, complete with my employer's copyright notice. So even FAANG engineers can fail to grasp the basics of copyright law.

Re: Meta releases Intermediate Graphics Library

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Post by rcme »

didntcheck wrote: post #140
zokier wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A rendering of a scene definitely is a work of its own has its own copyright, which is held by Meta. The scene is also attributed in the github repo license[1]. So the only problem here is that the Khronos post is missing the attribution.

I wouldn't be so certain. Under US law that may be false due to it lacking originality. For example, a photograph of a public domain painting is itself considered public domain [1]. This is not the same in all countries though, e.g. not the UK [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel... . [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Portrait_Gallery_and_...

A photo of a public domain painting is only in the public domain if the photograph wasn't distinct enough from the photographed work. Rendering requires a number of "artistic" choices so I doubt that precedent would apply here.

Here is a better explanation from your Wikipedia link:

> Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. [...] which ruled that exact photographic copies of public domain images could not be protected by copyright in the United States because the copies lack originality.

Re: Meta releases Intermediate Graphics Library

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Post by bschwindHN »

digdugdirk wrote: post #51

Darn, I opened the link and saw it was using Python. Sadly that seems to just be for the install process, for whatever reason. Does anyone have any recommendations for an intermediate graphics library that uses Python and supports compiling your code to a WebGL target? I'm interested in exploring SDF functions in a parametric CAD context, but coming from a Mechanical Engineering background. Not having to learn a new…

You probably have already seen this, but I would take a look at libfive for inspiration

https://libfive.com/

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