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Experiencing decreased performance with ChatGPT-4

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Re: Experiencing decreased performance with ChatGPT-4

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When AI visionaries warned us about machines eventually reaching a point where their capabilities would change exponentially, i didn't realise they meant decay.

Once machines got intelligent enough to frighten people, people began lobotomizing the machines.

Re: Experiencing decreased performance with ChatGPT-4

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OpenAI released a new gpt-4 model on June 13 https://openai.com/blog/function-calling-and-other-api-updat... , and they update gpt-4 to the latest version every two weeks (aka, gpt-4 switched over to the -0613 on June 27). The -0613 version is really different! It added function calling to the API as a hint to the LLM, and in my experience if you don't use function calling it's significantly worse at code-like tasks,…

Can I ask how you use this function calling in your workflow? Any examples?

Seconded. In particular, how does function calling help restore performance in general prompts like: "Here's roughly what I'm trying to achieve: Could you please write me such function/script/whatever?".

Maybe I lack the imagination, but what function should I give to the LLM? "insert(text: string)"?

Re: Experiencing decreased performance with ChatGPT-4

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I've noticed the same thing. People also like to complain the quality of Google Search has gone down for much of the same reason: if you first do a Google search that returned a good result and then repeat it, you are going to notice the absence. But if you first do a Google search that didn't return the thing you expect you might think such a thing just doesn't exist on the Internet. Ergo, quality decrease is simply…

For Google Search, the sad part, is that the search algorithm hasn't gotten worse. But the web itself has. There is so much more spam, with actual human generated content being siloed more and more in walled gardens, that it starts to become a major issue for Google.

Even if Google's algorithm hasn't gotten worse, (which is still in question) Google Search the product has. The advertising dark patterns continue their inexorable creep.

Re: Experiencing decreased performance with ChatGPT-4

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It's a bit of both. The GPT-4 models have definitely been changing - there's multiple versions right now and you can try them out in the Playground. One of the biggest differences is that the latest model patches all of the GPT-4 jailbreak prompts; quite a big change if you were doing anything remotely spicy. But OA also says that it hasn't been changing the underlying model beyond that (that's probably the tweet you…

It'd be insane if OpenAI wasn't changing GPT-4. That kind of flat footedness would cost them their entire first mover advantage.

If “changing” means “making it worse” it can definitely cost them their entire first mover advantage.

Re: Experiencing decreased performance with ChatGPT-4

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I’m convinced this is group hallucination. It must be so interesting to work at OpenAI, knowing you didn’t change a thing, and seeing that because of random chance, some small fraction of 100M users have all tricked each other that suddenly, something is different.

It’s definitely not. Our prompts that were generating JSON output went from around 95% valid JSON to about 10% overnight. The model just started inserting random commentary. We’ve reverted to the 0314 model and it’s working fine again.

This smells very badly of quantization - the extra commentary is a failure mode I observe frequently when dropping down from FP16 down to 4 bits.

Re: Experiencing decreased performance with ChatGPT-4

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It’s definitely not. Our prompts that were generating JSON output went from around 95% valid JSON to about 10% overnight. The model just started inserting random commentary. We’ve reverted to the 0314 model and it’s working fine again.

I had an API integration written to convert an English language security rule into an XML object designed to instruct a remote machine how to comply with the rule programmatically. April 2023 we had about an 86% accept rate, that number has declined to 31% with no changes to the prompt.

This is the kind of info I've been looking for - I ran some informal experiments which asked ChatGPT to mark essays along various criteria analyzed how consistent the marking was. This was several months ago, GPT-4 performed quite well, but the data wasn't kept, (it was just an ad-hoc application test written in jupyter notebooks).

I'm certain it's now doing significantly worse on the same tests, but alas I have lost the historical data to prove it.

Re: Experiencing decreased performance with ChatGPT-4

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I'm putting this down on randomness and people being bad at prompts. How can it be that I am noticing increasing performance for months upon months, and others are not. My prompts and prompting skills have become way better, and I really do not understand the experiences others are having.

Re: Experiencing decreased performance with ChatGPT-4

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It's a bit of both. The GPT-4 models have definitely been changing - there's multiple versions right now and you can try them out in the Playground. One of the biggest differences is that the latest model patches all of the GPT-4 jailbreak prompts; quite a big change if you were doing anything remotely spicy. But OA also says that it hasn't been changing the underlying model beyond that (that's probably the tweet you…

It'd be insane if OpenAI wasn't changing GPT-4. That kind of flat footedness would cost them their entire first mover advantage.

In that case, I'd hope they're changing it for the better, rather than making it more of an anodyne prude.

Re: Experiencing decreased performance with ChatGPT-4

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I’m convinced this is group hallucination. It must be so interesting to work at OpenAI, knowing you didn’t change a thing, and seeing that because of random chance, some small fraction of 100M users have all tricked each other that suddenly, something is different.

Seriously... In that 134 replies thread, 0 transcripts showing actual performance degradation. Just endless "Yes, it seems bla bla." No evidence but just shapes in the clouds.

Here's the best fish I could make at the end of March: https://www.svgviewer.dev/s/P1vPxB8t

Here's the best fish I could make today: https://www.svgviewer.dev/s/3IuulHlC

Make of that what you will.

Re: Experiencing decreased performance with ChatGPT-4

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I’m convinced this is group hallucination. It must be so interesting to work at OpenAI, knowing you didn’t change a thing, and seeing that because of random chance, some small fraction of 100M users have all tricked each other that suddenly, something is different.

Huh, Hacker News ? It's pretty easy to measure token/s in streaming response ? I'm missing something ?
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