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Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by xwolfi »

OldManRyan wrote: post #8
iancmceachern wrote: post #2

It seems strange for this documentary to be on Disney plus

Disney+ is a different animal in countries that aren't the US.

I'm in Hong Kong, I don't get what you mean. There's no porn or snuff movies on it here either, how tame is it in the US ? I bought it for my 5yo to get her Disney dose, do you guys buy it for even younger children ?

What other countries do you think exist outside the US? Why are there "different animals" of Disney streaming services ? Have you pursued your thought down to even quoting a few examples of what you imagine would happen in Tokyo, Johannesburg or Milan if you started Disney+ ?

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by mustacheemperor »

andrepd wrote: post #19
robertlagrant wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having watched them murder Star Wars, Willow, and now Indiana Jones, this seems relatively tame.

I wonder how releasing new films (good or bad) is supposed to "murder" an existing franchise.

Indiana Jones, as a franchise, mostly exists to present-day audiences as a series of Harrison Ford movies. Which, to sidecar a bit, seems like a shame when the point and click titles made by the Monkey Island folks were absolutely fantastic. I'd say Fate of Atlantis is a way better 4th installment than Crystal Skull.

But at any rate, following up a movie generally viewed as mediocre with what's shaping up to be one of the most expensive box office failures of all time after a delay of many years seems like it could only damage any lingering value in this IP. If it's not outright "murdering" the franchise, I'd say Disney has left Indiana Jones in a much worse spot than it was 20 years ago, and not just because the original movies are 20 years older.

Revisited Fate of Atlantis recently and was just reminded of the awesome rollercoaster in Disneyland, and it is kind of mystifying how this entire franchise was apparently allowed to slip away from relevance. Not just in movies - The Uncharted games are fantastic, the new Tomb Raiders sold many copies, people want swashbuckling adventures and the market's been saturated with milsims and scifi for years. The last 20 years of the franchise just look like one big missed opportunity parade.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by keenmaster »

xwolfi wrote: post #21
OldManRyan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disney+ is a different animal in countries that aren't the US.

I'm in Hong Kong, I don't get what you mean. There's no porn or snuff movies on it here either, how tame is it in the US ? I bought it for my 5yo to get her Disney dose, do you guys buy it for even younger children ? What other countries do you think exist outside the US? Why are there "different animals" of Disney streaming services ? Have you pursued your thought down to even quoting a few examples of what you imag…

He was probably referring to Disney Star which you can get with Disney+ in some countries outside the U.S. https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/10/22165950/disney-star-str...

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by noirbot »

andrepd wrote: post #19
robertlagrant wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having watched them murder Star Wars, Willow, and now Indiana Jones, this seems relatively tame.

I wonder how releasing new films (good or bad) is supposed to "murder" an existing franchise.

I'm not sure if the OP meant it, but there's a decided different in my mind between "murdering" a series and "ruining" it. A bad new entry doesn't make the old ones worse, but it may effectively foreclose any chance of making another better one later.

For people who maybe were hoping for another good Indiana Jones movie in the same vein as the first few, having these last two be received terribly means we're unlikely to see another attempt for years, if ever.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by echelon »

andrepd wrote: post #19
robertlagrant wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having watched them murder Star Wars, Willow, and now Indiana Jones, this seems relatively tame.

I wonder how releasing new films (good or bad) is supposed to "murder" an existing franchise.

The new material has franchise/brand association, and the privileged production (eg. as opposed to fan cannon) cements it. They're now cognitively inseparable. The mental space the OT and PT occupied now has Disney's hands all over it .

Once especially cherished, Star Wars is a completely ruined universe in my mind. The mystery of the larger universe has been filled in with things I don't like, and there's no more magic left. I can't imagine anything that can salvage it. I don't care to see any more, probably ever.

I'd rather support independent films and small creators anyway.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by asynchronous »

pseudo0 wrote: post #9

So they hired a scumbag to harass their critics in potentially illegal ways, fired the scumbag, and then were surprised that he turned on them? What a perfect example of what goes around, comes around.

Not to mention the “business” being run was about as shady as you can get.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by PradeetPatel »

andrepd wrote: post #19
robertlagrant wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having watched them murder Star Wars, Willow, and now Indiana Jones, this seems relatively tame.

I wonder how releasing new films (good or bad) is supposed to "murder" an existing franchise.

I'm not the biggest fan of the reboot either, but I suspect that my generation is no longer the intended target audience.

The young professionals at my workplace seems to be really enjoying it, and have praised its action sequences, diverse and inclusive casts, and themes that are relevant to them.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by OldManRyan »

keenmaster wrote: post #23
xwolfi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in Hong Kong, I don't get what you mean. There's no porn or snuff movies on it here either, how tame is it in the US ? I bought it for my 5yo to get her Disney dose, do you guys buy it for even younger children ? What other countries do you think exist outside the US? Why are there "different animals" of Disney streaming services ? Have you pursued your thought down to even quoting a few examples of what you imag…

He was probably referring to Disney Star which you can get with Disney+ in some countries outside the U.S. https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/10/22165950/disney-star-str...

This is what I'm referring to for the most part. There are other things like Disney+ carrying pro wrestling in other countries like Indonesia.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by jamiek88 »

noirbot wrote: post #24
andrepd wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how releasing new films (good or bad) is supposed to "murder" an existing franchise.

I'm not sure if the OP meant it, but there's a decided different in my mind between "murdering" a series and "ruining" it. A bad new entry doesn't make the old ones worse, but it may effectively foreclose any chance of making another better one later. For people who maybe were hoping for another good Indiana Jones movie in the same vein as the first few, having these last two be received terribly means we're unlikely…

I think the closest I’ve ever seen to ‘murdering’ a series by releasing new media was the final series of game of thrones retroactively killed the cultural phenomenon that it was.

It does not live on much in the zeitgeist.

Re: Top suspect in 2015 Ashley Madison hack committed suicide in 2014

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Post by majormajor »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #22
andrepd wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how releasing new films (good or bad) is supposed to "murder" an existing franchise.

Indiana Jones, as a franchise, mostly exists to present-day audiences as a series of Harrison Ford movies. Which, to sidecar a bit, seems like a shame when the point and click titles made by the Monkey Island folks were absolutely fantastic. I'd say Fate of Atlantis is a way better 4th installment than Crystal Skull. But at any rate, following up a movie generally viewed as mediocre with what's shaping up to be one o…

20 years is a bad comparison point for "did Disney kill Indiana Jones." Disney bought Lucas just over 11 years ago. So what was the shape of the franchise at that point?

After a well-received film in 1989 and a well-received but niche Fate of Atlantis video game in 1992, and a TV series for a year or so (so not a smashing success, though I remember people liking it) in 1992-1993) it went dark movies/TV-wise, and none of the followup video games amounted to too much.

So the franchise wasn't in great shape or popular relevance pre-Crystal Skull, and that film certainly didn't help. It was largely disliked by audiences, and Dial of Destiny actually seems better received by audiences so far. Personally I thought it was a far better film, though not a "must see" - but how much blood is in that stone to squeeze out with an aging Harrison Ford compared to, say, Uncharted?

Anyone blaming Disney for the state of Lucasfilm franchises seems to have a huge chunk of selective memory for the 2000s. (E.g. for me, I stopped paying attention to a lot of new Star Wars media for a while after Vector Prime in 1999 and the resulting story arc.)

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