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Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

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Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#61

I actually have "Polyglot Brogrammer" as my headline on LinkedIn in the hope that recruiters leave me alone. It hasn't worked.

Try "Rockstar Cobol Hacker"; if the recruiters are paying attention, they'll either be unable to find anything that meets the intersection of those sets or they'll have something so interesting it'll be fun to read about even if you don't go with it.

Of course, there's nothing you can do about meat-zombies spamming crap to everyone.

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#62
I call Poe's Law :). I have had so much fun with the brogrammer stereotype - developer jocks do exist and are quite common. We considered changing the name of our local developer meetup group from "Nerdy Food Meetups" to something "cooler" like Hungry Hackers, but we decided against it, lest the name prove too inviting for brogrammers. So far: success. The group has been 100% self-selective for nerds.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#63
The problem with "bro" culture is its narcissistic conformism. I guess they are really looking for an excuse to behave badly. They know they are being assholes, so they manufacture a social environment in which they are encouraged to be assholes.

So listen, bros:

If you want to get drunk, and hit on chicks, that's your choice. But don't give in to peer pressure, and don't pressure your mates. Just be yourself.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#64

From Urban Dictionary: brogrammer, n.: A programmer who breaks the usual expectations of quiet nerdiness and opts instead for the usual trappings of a frat-boy: popped collars, bad beer, and calling everybody "bro". Despised by everyone, especially other programmers. Ex: Oh my god, John is talking about football and chicks again. That guy is such a brogrammer. See also: programmer, frat boy, bro, douchebag, developer…

It's what happens when you have people going to college to hang out in frat houses instead of actually learning.

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#66
what if women (concisely or subconsciously) find the bro sexually attractive. Could one of the reasons more women don't enter computer science be because of the perception of "slim social pickings?" I'm not suggesting I personally agree with the "bro" ideology but it's fair to consider those that do not choose to enter computer science (male or female) make that choice for reasons motivated by mate selection.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#67

Pretty sure the entire brogrammer meme was meant tongue-in-cheek, and humor aimed directly at developers. Besides, anyone who might actually carry on in brogrammer style would soon learn the acronym CLM -- career limiting maneuver.

I completely agree. It's pretty obviously counterpoint to the usual image of the programmer as nerd. I could see taking it seriously if the OP had said "I met some of these guys and they're as douchey as the article makes them seem" but this completely reeks of recursive trolling. The whole "brogrammer" thing is just a troll at people who think programmers can't have lives, that trolling successfully duped some mainstream media ppl (who probably think "Hacker News" is about the latest on who broke into what and stole passwords from which company), they reported the trolling as fact, and now HN is full of people picking sides.

Notice also how there's like no "brogrammers" in here giving us their side of the story? Almost as if they don't really exist? Or if they do, it's not a life or death to them, like it appears to be to the OP?

Funny to me because I wrote a rant about how Rails was no longer fashionable and Node is more fashionable these days. A few people dissed me for paying attention to tech fashion in the first place, but now HN is all up in arms, ready to break out the pitchforks and torches, over whether or not you wear a polo shirt.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#68
This is a toxic side-effect of a healthy thing: the rise in status of programming work.

In the dotcom boom, douchebags didn't program, they did MBAs and took for granted that as "business guys" they would have the lion's share of wealth and status just for being who they were. That many of them now feel compelled to join the profession their forebears saw as underlings and learn to actually do real work, while many of the rest are pleading for technical cofounders, are signs of a major shift.

Remember that video that did the rounds on HN a year or two ago about the Valley in the 70s? A typical technical cofounder would end up with 2% ownership and zero control. Compare that to Mark Zuckerberg retaining control of Facebook and extolling "the hacker way" in an SEC filing. It's a massive change in the right direction, and most of it has happened in the last 15 years and it's still accelerating. It will be interesting to see the social consequences. Annoying epiphenomena like "brogrammers" are inevitable, but deeper changes are the ones to watch for.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#69
post #11

Why are people so angry? It seems like these guys are mostly just acting silly. I don't think it's particularly interesting or funny or whatever, but that's no reason to be mad at them.

The main issue i have with this brogrammer thing is that it's completely idiotic (and just that would be agood reason to be mad at them). It being off putting for women is of secondary importance, imho. It's also quite sad that they allowed that their names (and of their workplace) were published and linked with this kind of statements, c'mon...

Kids these days...

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