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Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by ca_tech » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 6:34 PM UTC

salgorithm wrote: post #10

If a lot of ChatGPT users were students, I would expect a drop during summer vacation. I predict another article from the Washington Post in August/September about how ChatGPT is seeing a rebound in usage.

The article only addresses the website and application. I expect that what we will see is a shift from individual users to enterprise usage. Individuals are not going to subscribe indefinitely, but I expect corporate access to the API will continue to be healthy.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by lagniappe » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 6:34 PM UTC

salgorithm wrote: post #10

If a lot of ChatGPT users were students, I would expect a drop during summer vacation. I predict another article from the Washington Post in August/September about how ChatGPT is seeing a rebound in usage.

Not a student, but getting constantly cloudflare-blocked and models seeming less capable every update has been giving me pause.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by erichmond » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 6:34 PM UTC

hashtag-til wrote: post #8

erichmond wrote: post #4

I do think AI is here to stay, but that initial round of AI is going to destroy the world burned fast and hot. I can't even get ChatGPT (+ web plugin), when given a list of restaurants in NYC, to tell me which ones are still open vs have closed, and what their hours of operation / locations are. This is a pretty low bar request IMO. Showed me we still have a ways to go before AI is where we thought it was 3-4 months…

Hey the initial round of AI was decades ago, FYI.

You and me reading books about fuzzy logic in the 80s didn't constitute the initial round of AI.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by berkle4455 » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 6:35 PM UTC

pinkcan wrote: post #13

Temporary_31337 wrote: post #6

Time for another hype train, how about quantum?

VR is still not done is it?

a virtual world where you can buy and sell AI-powered cryptocurrencies. also, you don't have legs.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by hashtag-til » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 6:35 PM UTC

erichmond wrote: post #23

hashtag-til wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey the initial round of AI was decades ago, FYI.

You and me reading books about fuzzy logic in the 80s didn't constitute the initial round of AI.

Oh man… all those genetic algorithms were a waste of time then?

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by bbor » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 6:35 PM UTC

I would like to nominate this for THE most short-sighted, nothing-burger headline of all time.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by mark_l_watson » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 6:36 PM UTC

Well, I mostly disagree. While it is interesting and sometimes useful to go to the OpenAI ChatGPT web portal and use an LLM interactively, I think the real engine of innovation is using LLMs as part of larger applications on our own data.

Having the hype decrease is not a bad thing.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by Der_Einzige » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 6:36 PM UTC

The main issue is that few know about retrieval augmented generation and it’s variants and even fewer know how to build effective versions of it.

Hooking up a real high quality and well configured knowledge graph or other information mechanism retrieval alongside template/constraint tooling to powerful, long context (with full attention, not the BS linear kinds) models is an absolute game changer and minimizes risks of hallucination.

But few are doing this, and thus the public believes that LLMs are not trustworthy.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by standardUser » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 6:37 PM UTC

Once ChatGPT 4 is freely available I'll start playing with it more regularly like I had been with 3/3.5. But once you spend enough time with 3/3.5 and realize how unreliable it can be, it takes a lot of the fun away. I'd rather waste my hours the old fashioned way, by browsing Wikipedia.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by dragonwriter » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 6:37 PM UTC

erichmond wrote: post #23

hashtag-til wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey the initial round of AI was decades ago, FYI.

You and me reading books about fuzzy logic in the 80s didn't constitute the initial round of AI.

> You and me reading books about fuzzy logic in the 80s didn't constitute the initial round of AI.

Right, that was at least the second round, as it occurred after the first “AI Winter”.

The first round was a lot earlier than that.