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Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

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Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

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Here is a pic of the guy who said the line about the girls in the hot tub. http://danilo.ariadoss.com/about/ Pretty much exactly what I expected.

The hot tub line made me chuckle, they probably thought they were getting invited to cool parties because they were hip.

In actual fact somebody probably wanted them to think this so that they could find a way to raid their wallets.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

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post #12

This is nothing new, back in ~2004 when I was at university for CS there were plenty of students who were desperate to shed the "nerdy" image and would compensate taking up macho hobbies like bodybuilding , playing metal music, martial arts or motorcycling or by drinking large amounts and getting high every weekend. The whole brogrammer meme reminds me a lot of DHH. Whenever you see him speak he is always dressed and…

Is there really a problem with nerds being groomed well and fashionably dressed? The people they describe are off-putting because of their attitude, not because their appearance clashes with the archetypal image of a nerd.

What's common with all those behaviors he described is that the way they are usually carried, and the predictable "maleness" with which they are chosen, create an air of trying way too hard -- this is something I defintely experience when meeting many programmers. The irony is that the most defining characteristic of authentic masculinity, for most women I know, is the sense that a man believes in hemself and does what feels right for him. Taking up a bunch of stereotypically male activities for the sake of appearing more male is exactly the opposite of that. It's as if the new practitioner looked around and saw what "successful" guys are doing -- dressing well and riding motorcycles -- and decided to copy the outward appearances without understanding why those patterns exist.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#34
post #9

This isn't high school; there's nothing productive or rational about assigning labels to yourself or others. Judge someone by the quality of their work and the output of their lives, not how they dress or the culture they associate themselves with.

This sounds nice and everything, but actually, there's a lot that's productive and rational about assigning labels to yourself and others. If you needed to carefully evaluate the sum of every participant's life before every interaction (rather than caching the result of that evaluation in a set of labels), you would be paralyzed. Humans simply don't have the mental capacity to constantly think that deeply about everything. If you tell yourself you don't ever assign labels, at least in your head, you're either deceiving yourself or you're a Buddha.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey now. Metal music and martial arts are time-honored hobbies for nerds.

That's sort of my point. The original nerdy stereotype is somebody with big teeth , a comb-over and a checked shirt tucked into corduroy pants, possibly also a neck beard. The next generation of nerds distanced themselves from this somewhat by wearing heavy metal T shirts, having long hair and tattoos. This became uncool too, so now we have the "brogrammer" with designer polo shirts and dark glasses. It's interesting…

The difference is that heavy metal was never "cool", metalheads were always misfits just like nerds. OK, maybe with the exception of hair metal, but we don't talk about that.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey now. Metal music and martial arts are time-honored hobbies for nerds.

That's sort of my point. The original nerdy stereotype is somebody with big teeth , a comb-over and a checked shirt tucked into corduroy pants, possibly also a neck beard. The next generation of nerds distanced themselves from this somewhat by wearing heavy metal T shirts, having long hair and tattoos. This became uncool too, so now we have the "brogrammer" with designer polo shirts and dark glasses. It's interesting…

I m gonna bring back punk into programming.It needs more of it.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#38
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there really a problem with nerds being groomed well and fashionably dressed? The people they describe are off-putting because of their attitude, not because their appearance clashes with the archetypal image of a nerd.

What's common with all those behaviors he described is that the way they are usually carried, and the predictable "maleness" with which they are chosen, create an air of trying way too hard -- this is something I defintely experience when meeting many programmers. The irony is that the most defining characteristic of authentic masculinity, for most women I know, is the sense that a man believes in hemself and does wh…

Yes, it's basically trying cargo cult "coolness" , of course that isn't a 100% bad thing if it helps encourage people to get out and try something new.

If you take up a hobby just to appear cool then there's every chance you won't stick with it very long.

I'm sure there are many people who have taken up certain hobbies just to impress people and then found them legitimately enjoyable and fulfilling and they would continue to do them even if they became the most uncool thing.

Also since nerds have a tendency to hyper-focus on things in depth they will likely bring their nerd skills to something non nerdy and outdo the non nerds at it.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#39
post #23

FWIW, only 17 people turned up in a people search for "brogrammer" in LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/search/fpsearch?type=people&keyw... That compares with more than 914,000 results for a people search of "programmer"

Unfortunately more than half of the 'programmers' are in my professional network, and that's not including shared groups.

If we include groups, 2/3 of them are.

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